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 laurie53 |
Tue, 20/11/07@17:03
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I recently had my annual cardiac check and as usual the only real problem was my slow but sure weight increase, which I put down to medication (mainly because the weight gain started when the medication started) but they put down to diet.
I was told to halve the amount of bread I eat, from two slices a day (three if I have toast instead of cereal for breakfast) to one.
I was also give a diet sheet and questionnaire, which once I had duly, and honestly, completed it, told me that I was not eating enough bread and I should increase my daily intake!
Last year I was told to cut down on the fresh fruit and veg, and to eat less chicken and more red meat.
Have I been reading the wrong advice sheets, or are all the health advisors in the world wrong?
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Monoux |
Tue, 20/11/07@17:06
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I've noticed that most things seem to be on a 20 year or so cycle. What was good 20 years ago has since been bad but goes back to good 20 years later so perhaps your diet sheet is 20 years old ?
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Fruit Bat /\0/\ |
Tue, 20/11/07@17:29
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Too lose weight - Eat less move more
A healthy diet is one of, all things in moderation
Your told don't eat this, don't eat that, rubbish.
Make sure your diet is varied so you get all the vitamins, proteins etc. and also you need to satisfy the craving occasionally for the "wrong" foods or you will "yo-yo".
Eat what you want but don't overdo it!
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Earthsea |
Tue, 20/11/07@17:31
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I'm also confuzzled by all the health advice I hear. I tend to just ignore it and try to eat (what I think is) a sensible and varied diet, and exercise regularly. However, it would be daft to go against what your doctor says.
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fourm member |
Tue, 20/11/07@18:09
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'it would be daft to go against what your doctor says.'
But suppose your doctor is just repeating advice which the health ministry has issued.
A couple of weeks ago it emerged that the 'safe' drinking limits were plucked out of the air but I'm sure doctors have quoted them to millions of patients.
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Earthsea |
Tue, 20/11/07@19:14
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Okay, in that case everyone should ignore their doctor from now on. fourm member says so.
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spuds |
Tue, 20/11/07@19:46
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A nice bit of bread and dripping takes some beating, but don't tell the experts that ;o)
I do not think there is any one day, when you read something about how or what people should or should not eat. It seems to change everytime some expert comes up with some new theory or findings. Personally I eat virtually anything and I have done so all my life, without any ill effect.In fact I have a couple of Asda/Snacksters doner kebabs in the microwave right now, awaiting quality control testing.
Must say though, when I had two serious operations a few years back, I am sure I lost quite a bit of weight eating hospital food!.
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jack |
Tue, 20/11/07@19:58
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There is much disinformation about the food we east and how much of it.
We are all different and any advice can be of a general nature unless you have had a one to one with a nutritionist.
What exactly does a 'portion' comprise of in the 5 portions of fruit and veg a day regime? for example
That crazy meat only diet of a few years ago
or the Cabbage soup diet before that
It is all nonsense
An individual may have a special dietary need or caution of they are Diabetic/coeliac/ reactive to nut protein - but these are specialist areas.
Generally eat what you want when you want it -
But less of it- leave the table hungry is the axiom
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Bingalau |
Tue, 20/11/07@20:55
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That Michael Winner got it right when he was asked to write a book on losing weight. He had succeeded in losing weight himself of course. But he said that he could write all the advice needed in just three words "EAT LESS FOOD". Common sense really. Calm down dear!
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laurie53 |
Tue, 20/11/07@21:15
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It's not always quite as simple as "Eat Less" as anyone who is on steroids will tell you.
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bluto1 |
Tue, 20/11/07@22:07
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laurie53 A few years ago I was diagosed as Diabetic type 2 and the treatment was diet control. At this time my weight had shot up to 18 stones and after seeing an article in the paper I asked the doctor for some of the tablets referred to in the articje. They are called Orlistat (Zenical). I used them for 4 or five months and lost over 4 stone with them, the little exercise I could do and a fairly strict diet. A lot of physical things we take for granted became much easier.
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Jak_1 |
Wed, 21/11/07@00:35
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laurie53 If you are now on steroids then your weight is likely to increase, is is a common side effect of steroids. In general, simply modify the amount you eat and has been said keep to a varied diet. The body takes in vastly more than the daily requirement of vitamins and minerals, the excess is excreted via various means and the body uses only what is required.
Have you thought about asking your doctor to refer you to a dietician? They can help you to plan a what is right for you.
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laurie53 |
Wed, 21/11/07@08:06
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Jak_1 I am not on steroids myself, though my wife is. I simply used it as an example of how weight gain is not always a simple matter of eating less.
On both occasions mentioned it was a dietician giving the advice, and my GP expressed surprise at the advice given.
I have been on a strictly planned diet since 2003, and anything other than minor variation is going to lead to nutrition problems.
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Quickbeam |
Wed, 21/11/07@09:02
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"Okay, in that case everyone should ignore their doctor from now on. fourm member says so."
I defy any Doctor to say that a well balance diet, eating most foods in moderation is unhealthy.
We've never been more aware of our dietary needs than now, but we still get incredibly unhealthy people, eating incredibly unhealthy food in the full knowledge that it's killing them... Why do they do that?
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DANZIG |
Wed, 21/11/07@10:07
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A little bit of what you fancy does you good.
I'm pretty lucky (considering what my Dad calls my 'hedonistic' lifestyle) when it comes to my health - however a few years back just after I hit thirty, I noticed I was piling the pounds a bit.
Earlier this year I hit 13 stone and thought 'thats it!'. At the start of one week I deceided to cut out all burgers / chips / eating late at night and all those things that the doc's tell you is BAD. I started eating high fibre breakfasts and 'proper' foods - I felt fantastic!
..Until the end of the week when I collapsed at home due to my body taking a kick from the fact all the crap I'd been filling myself with for 30 odd years suddenly wasn't there.
Now I'm a little more careful and still eat healthy breakfasts but a couple of times a week I allow myself 'forbidden fruit'.
The stone I lost has stayed off, I feel great and at least I'm not going unconscious on a Friday night anymore.
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laurie53 |
Wed, 21/11/07@15:01
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Haven't had a burger in at least five years, chips maybe three or four times a year, nothing but a piece of fruit after 6.00 pm and nothing at all after 9.00 pm.
Perhaps that's why I am so unhealthy!
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anchor |
Wed, 21/11/07@15:50
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fourm member:
Further to your comment concerning drinking limits. About 7 or 8 years ago I was under the private care of a consultant cardiologist. I recall him telling me that his father in law, (a senior medical man), had been on the committee that set these advisory limits. His father in law admitted that the panel had no idea what limits to set, and plucked them out of the air. They simply based them on the fact that no harm would come to people if they kept to them. Thus, they were "safe limits".
What the safe limits really should be is, (as far I am aware), still unknown.
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Fruit Bat /\0/\ |
Wed, 21/11/07@17:01
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nothing but a piece of fruit after 6.00 pm and nothing at all after 9.00 pm.
Suprised your blood sugar isn't dropping to zero during the night.
Father a diadetic had a couple of "falling over" sessions and was hospitalised, turned out to be low blood sugar because he was going to bed too early and having no food after 6pm.
Specalist advised him to stay up to at least 10 and have a biscuit or two before retiring.
No problems since taking the advice
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laurie53 |
Wed, 21/11/07@18:05
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It's the old rock & the hard place syndrome.
If I eat after 6 I'm awake half the night with gastric reflux!
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