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Vista support ending, W7 "not that far" behind and a W8 question.


mooly
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I see that Vista "mainstream" support is ending this April.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+Vista&Filter=FilterNO

What actually is "mainstream" support ? as "extended" support is also mentioned.

W7 follows in only 3 years and yet W7 is (naturally) still being pushed hard.

When W8 is getting near for general release do you think PC manufacturers will offer the option of a "free W7 to W8 upgrade disc" as has happened before ?

And I also wonder if you will be able to clean install from that as you have been able to in the past with W7 and Vista. Having witnessed just how good "clean installing" can be compared to an upgrade route or a PC burdoned with "bloatware" that would perhaps be an ideal time to consider a new PC/Laptop.

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Woolwell

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Updates are provided during extended support Ms Policy therefore udner current plans extended support for those with Vista SP2 ends in 2017 and there will be updates until then.

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interzone55

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mooly

During the Extended Support phase Microsoft only provide security updates (patches), they will not provide new feature updates, or fix any bugs that are not considered security risks.

So Microsoft will continue to issue security updates for Vista users with Service Pack 2 until 2017.

Companies can purchase full Mainstream support from Microsoft during the Extended Support phase - so Muergo's comment about Corporations like Walmart forcing Microsoft's hand with demands for further support is misplaced, as they'd be paying for that support anyway.

You may be interested to know that the UK navy is still installing Windows 2000 on the command systems of new and refitted warships. They're using this OS as it's pretty much impregnable when fully patched and locked down.

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mooly

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alan14

Thanks for the reply, and interesting on the Navy using W2000

I find the Microsoft product lifecycles as clear as mud tbh.

I did find this (if the link works) which confirms what you and others say in that security updates will be received until 2017.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#

Hover over "support lifecycle policy" at left and there is a graphic picture showing what it means (and its the first easy to assimilate text from MS I have seen on this).

Thanks to all that replied and said as such... it just took me a long time to convince myself and find something that was easy to understand on this.

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MadBob

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Consumer versions of Vista (Basic,Home Premium and Ultimate) do not receive extended support

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+Vista+Home+Premium&Filter=FilterNO

See Ed Botts article

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-long-will-microsoft-support-xp-vista-and-windows-7/2304

Also here

http://allnurses-breakroom.com/technology-internet-software/windows-vista-mainstream-561771.html


*“What does “end of support” mean for a product (e.g. Windows 2000)? Somewhat unsurprisingly, end of support for a product means that we will no longer provide support after this date. For Consumer products, end of support is at the end of the Mainstream Support phase. For Business and Developer products, end of support is the end of the Extended Support phase. After these dates, no further support will be provided for the product. This means that customers will not have access to: security updates or non-security hotfixes Free or paid assisted support options The option to engage Microsoft’s product development resources updates to online content (KB articles, etc.)” “Will Microsoft provide security updates for products after the end of support?

I know I’m sounding like a broken record here, but the answer is no. Once a product or service pack has reached the end of support, Microsoft no longer provides any new security updates. Customers are encouraged to upgrade to a supported product or service pack to ensure they are able to receive continued support and security updates.”

Microsoft’s statements regarding “end of support” as stated in various locations on their web site are confusing at best, and seemingly contradictory at worst. However, the Microsoft TechNet blog statements quoted above are crystal clear.*

It's actually been confirmed to Computer Active that support ends on April 10

Bob

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Woolwell

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MadBob - That is correct for Vista and Vista SP1 but not for Vista SP2.

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Woolwell

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Microsoft state that the end of support for Vista SP2 is 11 April 2017. Windows lifecycle fact sheet

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mooly

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Thanks folks...

There are more Microsoft fact sheets and documents than you can shake a stick at for all this :-)

April 2017 is what I gleaned in all this for Vista SP2.

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SouthernComfort

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Woolwell I have researched this in depth.

If you click on

"What is the difference between mainstream support and extended support?" in your own link it says

"Please note: Extended support is only available for commercial customers"

After I raised the issue CA contacted MS and it has been confirmed.

As I said in my previous post

http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/news/2136851/microsoft-unlikely-offering-extended-support-consumer-editions-vista

Bob

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mooly

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I asked over on the MS forums about this and was directed to this,

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

which I am told means that security updates for Vista SP2 will continue via the normal Windows Update channel.

It should not be this difficult to find these basic things out.

And thanks to all who continue to look into this :)

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MadBob

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Oops I seem to have two accounts!

I will have to sort that out

Bob (MadBob/Southerncomfort)

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