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How bad are the security services?


fourm member

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MI5 chief Andrew Parker told the Royal United Services Institute 'there are several thousand Islamist extremists here who see the British public as a legitimate target' according to Frank Gardner of the BBC.

Information from the government in September shows that, in 2011/12, there were 37 persons charged with terrorism-related offences.

37 out of 'several thousand'.

Does that mean;

1) MI5 and the anti-terrorist branch are doing a rotten job of investigating these people 2) In a time of austerity, fear is a good way to keep your budget intact 3) Parker is contributing to efforts to persuade people that the activities of GCHQ, even if illegal, are justified 4) Something else?

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john bunyan

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More of "the few"?

Arrests

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john bunyan

How many news stories have you seen today of people stopped for speeding? Or shoplifting?

The fact that this is considered worth reporting shows how few arrests there are.

And

'BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the decision to make arrests was taken on Sunday by a joint committee of senior officers from MI5 and the Met Police's Counter Terrorism Command.'

'As always, they faced a dilemma over whether to hold off longer to gather more evidence but then risk danger to the public, our correspondent said.'

Quite handy timing for MI5.

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john bunyan

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fourm member

It is early days with these people - maybe nothing will come of it. It is clear that you are unwilling to accept what FE and others say, and believe there is exaggeration from MI5 of the threat. However to compare shoplifting, cannabis speeding etc with terrorism is , in my view, unreasonable. Those offences rarely kill more than a few, whereas a "9/11" style attack is still possible unless the security services remain vigilant. I know that as with the de Menendez case MI5 have made serious errors sometimes, but you seem so convinced of the security services duplicity, and I wonder why - there seems little evidence of abuse to me?

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oresome

"Unfortunately that statement comes from someone within the industry, so must be viewed in the same light as the comments from the speaker that started this thread!"

Actually it comes from the head of MI5, who is on record as saying that cyber crime will become an increasing threat exploited by terrorists, and warned of an increasing threat of global cyber warfare between countries and terror cells, as well as between rival nations.

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oresome

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I wouldn't argue with the term an increasing threat.

But you originally used the word biggest which may or may not be the case.

I did speak in jest and wasn't really suggesting you were over egging the threat for any personal gain by the way.

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john bunyan

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More on the above. Some say it was a possible "Kenya Mall" plan.

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