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Fines for middle lane hoggers


Al94
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So there are plans to introduce on the spot fines for middle lane hoggers and mobile phone users - fine but how on earth will this be policed? I certainly don't have to drive very far to see someone with a phone stuck to their ear! On the subject of middle lane hoggers - how big a problem is this really? I haven't much driven on UK three lane motorways for several years, slow lanes tended to be bigger stuff, slow moving cars and some caravans, if someone is hogging the middle lane, overtake them in the fast lane, travelling at around the legal maximum I would be in the middle lane much of the time to avoid the slow stuff. It's a much bigger problem in Ireland where the motorway network is mostly two lane. Here outside lane hoggers are a real menace (also on dual carriageways and wider 4 lane roads as they sit there daydreaming or maybe turning right several miles down the road! This leads to frustration and undercutting which is, I would have thought, a much bigger issue than middle lane hogging?

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Quickbeam

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It's a very British thing is lane hogging, I put it down to having a fairly low motorway speed limit.

In Germany they pull into the inner lanes pretty smartly after an overtaking manoeuvre. Not because they like to follow rules being Germans and all that, but because no matter how fast you drive on an autobahn, there is always someone that catches up to you from a kilometre or more behind when you start the manoeuvre, to right up your ass before you've finished it!

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fourm member

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Surely, the idea of on the spot fines is that it reduces the time it needs for the police to take action.

A lot of middle lane hogging, probably, goes unpunished because the police officers who see it decide it isn't serious enough to take the time required.

Of course, not every hogger will get punished just as not every speeder gets punished but increased awareness and increased numbers of penalties will have an impact.

Though not mentioned by the OP, tailgating is also to be subject to on the spot fines.

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bumpkin

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I am not a boy racer but I do think that motorway speed limits are too low for modern vehicles.

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Fruitbat 2

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Some small cars will sit in the middle lane at 55-60mph due to not wanting to be stuck in the ruts caused by lorries in the "slow lane".

Why is the inside lane called the inside lane when its clearly on the outer fringes of the motorway?

on a six lane motorway lanes 3 are on the inside (either side of the central reservation )lanes 2 are in the middle and lanes 1 are outer

:0)

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Quickbeam

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How many Times would you be glad to drive as fast as 50mph on a British motorway?

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pavvi

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Contrary to popular opinion, not all Germany's motorways are unregulated. The majority of the network has a 120kph limit. What they do have are cameras to enforce safe distances, and these are strictly enforced. They aren't fixed penalty like speeding fines are but result in a court appearance.

As far as the middle lane hogging, I don't see how this can be enforced objectively. How many miles in a lane can be seen as hogging? In congestion where traffic is moving slower than 40mph, everybody using all lanes with minimal lane changing will result in less congestion. I don't see how the law can be implemented in an objective way.

Tailgating can be done with multiple cameras which is how it is done in Germany. It's just a matter of setting a distance to enforce.

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Forum Editor

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"Tailgating can be done with multiple cameras which is how it is done in Germany. It's just a matter of setting a distance to enforce."

Precisely.

Whilst on the subject of tailgating, it's certainly a Pan European problem. The worst offenders in my experience are the Italians. A few years ago I was driving a friend's brand new, very powerful BMW down the Autostrada from Tuscany on my way to Venice. There are tunnels in the Tuscany section, and I was in the fast lane, in a tunnel, doing about 80mph with a row of huge lorries a couple of feet to my right, when up behind me came a guy in a Mercedes, doing 100mph at least, flashing his lights, and ending up sitting about six feet from the back of my car. I could go nowhere - there were cars in front, and the tunnel had some twists and turns. The tension was incredible - one dab on the brakes from the car in front, and I would have had the Mercedes into the back of me.

I'm all for tailgating fines.

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WhiteTruckMan

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I was wondering if this would come up in the forum. If someone is sitting in the middle lane of a quiet motorway at the legal speed limit then I don't personally have a problem with that. When they do it at 50 or less then I do object, as that is dangerous behaviour. I think it better myself to enable overtaking on the inside, but the cynical side of me thinks that the government wouldn't pass up the opportunity to take money off people.

Tailgating is a different issue though, and one I have strong feelings on. I've been forced to tailgate more times than I can count, through people overtaking me then pulling in too soon. It only takes an instant for a camera to catch me before I've opened the gap by backing off, and hey presto, fixed penalty notice!. (And don't get me started on the bastiches who overtake, pull in front of me, then brake!) If the middle lane is otherwise clear, I often pull out and sit there for a while until the faster vehicle has opened a safe gap rather than brake with the problems that can cause. However, under the new rules that would make me a middle lane hog, wouldn't it?

I suspect the true beneficiaries of these measures will be the police with their crime detection statistics, the treasury for the extra income this will cause, the 'awareness' companies who do a roaring trade already through people being given the opportunity to visit them instead of having points on their licence (A moot point imho, as insurance companies have wisewd up to this and are starting to ask if drivers have been on one of these courses, then loading the premiums accordingly) and the 'loophole' lawyers that will spring up specialising in these sort of offences, for the good and the great.

In case anyone is wondering, or even if they aren't, it's been a long, hard, frustrating day, and yes, I do have my grumpy hat on!

WTM

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N47.

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I am finding on our local rural roads that a lot of tailgaters are drivers using their mobile phones. They must think that because they are so close to the car in front they are invisible to police cars coming from the opposite direction.

Tailgating, using a hand held mobile, driving with one hand. I pull over as soon as it is safe.

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bumpkin

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FE " sitting about six feet from the back of my car. I could go nowhere " they are too stupid to see there is nowhere for you to go, just get out of my way is their thinking.

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