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Cameron caves in


Algerian peter ™

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Conservatives to publish draft bill on an EU referendum tomorrow.

Is it to much pressure from back benches, the threat from UKIP or the old stalwarts of Maggies government expressing the opinion of getting out of Europe.

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carver

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But back to Cameron, all this is doing is giving the impression that he is not in control of his party and they are treating him like a puppet and they only have to pull the strings and he dances.

Today some one even compared him to John Major, poor bloke.

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johndrew

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A referendum is little different to electing a Government. A statement of policy/position is made by those wishing to be elected and those voting make a choice; a referendum advises a situation and again permits a choice.

I grant that with a referendum the choice is more long lived and may encompass several generations; it may also cause those who had no part in the original referendum to be bound by a situation that is no longer agreed with or has change substantially since the original decision. In the interests of democratic behaviour this must be a good reason to allow a review and the public to make their opinion felt - they have no other way of imposing their will as politicians alone will not make major decisions such as these because their term is relatively short lived.

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namtas

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FE

We should not be having a referendum on this issue,

Why should the people not be having a say ?

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john bunyan

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namtas

"We should not be having a referendum on this issue,"

Why should the people not be having a say ? Because their opinion is based on sentiment and lack of in depth knowledge rather than logic!( Very sorry, do not mean to be patronising!)

Do you want referenda on Gay Marriage and Capital Punishment? If not, why not? We live in a Parliamentary democracy and elect Governments to carry out their Manifesto promises. The problem with this potential referendum is that the Press have an undue influence on public opinion, and as we have no compulsory voting it will be carried by a minority. Just listen to the "Captains of Industry" and the farmers and you will find they are scared stiff of withdrawal. There seems to be a gadarene rush for a referendum - in or out- before any negotiations have even taken place, let alone a balanced argument for and against in the press. FE states the situation exactly.

I do accept that we should resist a "US of E" and concentrate on a free trade grouping, but change from within, not sit outside with all the others thinking how to get their own back...

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namtas

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john bunyan

Because their opinion is based on sentiment and lack of in depth knowledge rather than logic!( Very sorry, do not mean to be patronising!)

Ok, what depth of knowledge would he/she need, and who do you consider is better suited to have that knowledge ?

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john bunyan

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"who do you consider is better suited to have that knowledge ?"

The guys (not bankers and what it rhymes with) who run our top industries and have a multinational view of trade worldwide; also our farmers. Their perspective is based on how to put the UK in a competitive situation worldwide, but remember more than 50% of our trade is with the EU. People such as those who brought Honda and Toyota here - would they have done so if they thought we were leaving the EU?

BTW what is your view on the other suggested referenda? Ie should we use referenda rater than our Parliament to determine more things?

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Quickbeam

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If we're to be considered to be too dim to be trusted to make such a decision, you can't be too surprised to see us flocking to the UKIP ranks if that becomes the only way to express an anti EU opinion.

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john bunyan

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To those who want "out" I respectfully disagree, but your views are as valuable as anyone else's. In no way is "dim" an issue, but please do consider all the ramifications of what would happen if a narrowly based (in policy terms) party like UKIP were to form a government. I suspect that there would be a further devaluation of sterling , and the lack of confidence in lenders causing interest rates to rocket which together would cost far more than the alleged savings made in net EU contributions. If it is immigration that is the worry, it is far too late for that if you look at the non - EU diaspora already here.

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morddwyd

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The government was elected, and Cameron appointed, to take these decisions on our behalf.

Cameron has not just caved in, he has bottled out.

He should do the job he is being paid to do, not ask us to do it for him.

He is little more than a party puppet, more interested in popularity than principle, and re-election rather than reform.

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pabby

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I cannot see him ( Cameron ) and ineffectual Osborne lasting much longer. I think the writing is on the wall that a leadership challenge will come before the next election. Cameron seems weak and unable to control his party. Unfortunately there seems to few candidates with backbone who could grab the party by the scruff of it's neck and press forward.

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