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Can anything be totally random?


bumpkin

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Can anything be totally random? an odd title maybe ,can anyone give me an example of something that is 100% random.

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fourm member

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spider9

I've been doing the same but using a spreadsheet because spreadsheets don't get put off by very large numbers.

I was, also, a little less practical than you. I said take the 7 billion people in the world and give them half a second to lay out each sequence.

In the 13.7 billion years the universe has been in existence they would only manage 864,678,240,000,000,000 sequences of the 80,658,175,170,943,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possibles.

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fourm member

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That, of course, is based on laying the cards out intentionally in a different sequence from any other.

That is not the same as simply laying out a random sequence.

In that case, there is no reason why two consecutive sequences might not be exactly the same.

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john bunyan

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Has a chimpanzee ever actually written the words of Shakespeare??

Infinite Monkey Theorem

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Quickbeam

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Why does the monkey get all the credit for a theorem that's been written by a chimpanzee?

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john bunyan

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"written by a chimpanzee" - named Bond... Brook Bond

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bumpkin

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fourm member, "That, of course, is based on laying the cards out intentionally in a different sequence from any other.

That is not the same as simply laying out a random sequence.

In that case, there is no reason why two consecutive sequences might not be exactly the same."

Good we are getting somewhere, so there could be 10 or more consecutive sequences that are exactly the same. The OP was about randomness.

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carver

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bumpkin

"so there could be 10 or more consecutive sequences that are exactly the same."

IF and I say IF that where to happen then the odds for it to happen there is not enough zeros in the universe to be able to write the number down.

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bumpkin

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Carver, of course it won't happen but in theory it could.

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spider9

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bumpkin

"of course it won't happen but in theory it could."

Following your train of thought through it suggests that randomness can happen, in theory!!

Enough is enough, I'm out.

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fourm member

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bumpkin

Last word and then I'll join spider9.

There is absolutely no connection between two consecutive shuffles.

The possibility of two sequences being repeated is proof of randomness not the reverse.

I can only assume there is some deeper reason for you wanting to maintain that there is only order in the universe.

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