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Can anything be totally random?


bumpkin

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Can anything be totally random? an odd title maybe ,can anyone give me an example of something that is 100% random.

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Ex plorer

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A pack of Cards, see here as far as I know you could shuffle a pack of cards all your life 24 hours a day 100.000 x an hour for a million years and it would not be repeated in the same way again. saw some thing on QI about it and it was staggering. Wish I could remember how it was put across including the shuffles.

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Ex plorer

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here is the combination of the cards thats a lot of randoms.

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oresome

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I was simply wondering if an explanation could be offered for this apparent anomaly?

OK. Another attempt.

The two trains pass through the station within a short time of each other. The chances are the young man arrives at the station during the longer period after the two trains have passed and then catches the first train to arrive which is always the same train running ahead on the timetable.

Only if he arrives at the station in the shorter period between the two trains will this sequence be broken.

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spider9

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oresome

Exactly!

So one needs to be very careful deciding what events may or may not appear to be completely random.

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carver

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But he could have been late arriving at the station because he set off 10 minutes after he was supposed to because he couldn't find his keys, and that "random" event altered the out come.

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bumpkin

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Ex plorer, that may be the theory but I doubt very much that would happen in reality which is my point really.

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bumpkin

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Spider9, "Seems you have an ability to be unable grasp the question!!" I understood the question but failed to see its relevance hence my attempt at a lighthearted answer.

"it would continue to give an unbalanced visiting schedule no matter how long the 'trial' lasted! He would continue to catch one train many more times than the other," OK so we will have a 2 day trial, day one he goes to girl one, day two he goes to girl two.

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fourm member

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'which is my point really.'

What is your point really?

Ex plorer's links show that with something as limited as 52 different cards there are an unimaginable numbers of ways of ordering them. If you shuffle them, thoroughly, the order you get is completely random.

If you shuffled a pack of cards, noted the order, and then shuffled them again and got exactly the same order that would still be a random outcome.

The order after one shuffle has no influence on the order after the second shuffle.

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Quickbeam

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"you could shuffle a pack of cards all your life 24 hours a day 100.000 x an hour for a million years and it would not be repeated in the same way again"

I can't believe that unless someone proves it.

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bumpkin

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Thank you Quickbeam.

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