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Papal Abdication


Quickbeam

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The religious implications of this don't matter a jot me me, and many millions more. But I see that the favourites include African and South American candidates, both being hugely over populated poor continents.

I wonder if either of these were to succeed, a new enlightenment towards sheath contraception on health grounds, and the obvious acceptance of the side effect of birth control can be at all contemplated within the Church of Rome for the 21st century and beyond?

Or will they continue with the medieval head in the sand approach?

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lotvic

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and hopefully a younger Pope will see the sense in selling off the Vatican riches to buy food and build farms and equip villages to feed the starving millions that the Catholic Missionaries helped to create. It would give the people back their human dignity to have the resources and equipment to once again be self sustaining and be able to survive during periods of draught.

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Forum Editor

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lotvic

and hopefully a younger Pope will see the sense in selling off the Vatican riches...

Don't hold your breath on that one.

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fourm member

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'In 1994 Pope John Paul II spoke infallibly when he ruled out the possibility of women ever being ordained'

I caught part of a discussion between two Catholics about that. The progressive maintained that JP2 wasn't speaking infallibly because of some esoteric term I didn't understand. I just checked and the term was 'ex cathedra'. Google took me to the Wikipedia page about infallibility that has one of those 'neutrality of this article is disputed' banners.

It's good to know that Catholics are focussed on the real problems of the world

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Quickbeam

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Is this 'ex cathedra' thing the same as the general female infallibility?

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Forum Editor

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"The progressive maintained that JP2 wasn't speaking infallibly because of some esoteric term I didn't understand. I just checked and the term was 'ex cathedra'".

Which is interesting,because I have always understood that when'ex cathedra' is used in connection with a papal pronouncement it means that the Pope was speaking infallibly - defining Catholic dogma.

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fourm member

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FE

The argument was about whether he was speaking ex cathedra when he said what he said about women.

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john bunyan

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Ex Cathedra implies he is God's conduit to the world. What a lot of twaddle. Old men in frocks deciding women are 2nd class, disallowing birth control, married priests, never mind equal sex marriage. Another if his ilk will be chosen - the electorate is confined to those who think like him. The hypocrisy of the whole issue is astounding - few western Catholics obey the birth control rule and are not admonished, there has been a shocking cover up over child abuse and Magdaline Laundries yet the whole election process takes no account of all this, thinking that the world will change.

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flycatcher1

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There are some very strong words out there today. If you are not a member of the club do not worry about the rules.

FE as I know how old you are and you appear to be a fair man with wide ranging opinions and interests if you were a Cardinal would you make a good Pope ? Or are you too old ?

I have met many young men with old heads on their shoulders but some are old women in their twenties. Late middle age would be my choice but, like John Bunyan, I have no interest apart from hoping that any new Pope makes an attempt to deal with the ills that beset his church and affect the outside world.

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lotvic

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"Ex Cathedra" To me it sounds more like an excuse to have a dictatorship.

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Graham*

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I may have been considered for the post come Christmas. Overheard at the Vatican "It will be a cold day before he gets it".

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