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Richard III's remains: Leicester car park dug up


Jock1e

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It has been reported that the Bones dug up in Leicester car park were that of King Richard the 3rd.

I believe there is a program on tonight at 9Pm all about the dig so that should be interesting.

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morddwyd

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"perhaps the scientist behind this could be putting two and two together to make five"

Then he/she is not a scientist but a speculator who will, sooner or later, be debunked.

Scientists might make mistakes, but very few make the facts fit the theory with any real degree of permanent success.

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Jock1e

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Without Philippa Langley I don't think there would have been a dig.

From Edinburgh but not sure if she was born there or not.

It was her determination to find the remains of Richard the 3rd and helping to raise the £13.000 that it would cost to dig up the car park.

She just seemed to know he was there.

Watching it on TV even I was getting concerned about her health.I was thinking is she going to have a breakdown.It came very close on a few occasions.

It was fitting that she had a Flag or ensign of the days of Richard which was put over the box of remains.I thought what a brilliant thing to do.

She asked the Pathologist if she would put the flag on the box but she refused because the Bones had not been acknowledged to be those of the King.

She had to get one of her fellow workers to do it.

Just to put matters right it was not an arrow that was stuck in his back.But an ordinary screw of that time period that was found under the bones.

A fitting finish to a great search that started many years ago.

Philippa Langley will get most of the credit but it was a team effort and all should be congratulated.

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john bunyan

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The flag was: (courtesy of Wiki)

Arms As Duke of Gloucester, Richard used the Royal Arms of England quartered with the Royal Arms of France, differenced by a label argent of three points ermine, on each point a canton gules.[95] As sovereign, he used the arms of the kingdom undifferenced. His motto was Loyaulte me lie, "Loyalty binds me"; and his personal device was a white boar

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Jock1e

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Now just had a visitor I think.

No sooner posted that when all the lights in the house went off for about 3-4 seconds, Weird.

Now there was this comment.

[they made the assumption that he ate a lot of fish which then miraculously put the carbon dating smack bang in the middle of his reign!"]

Now I am and always have been an avid follower of Time Team and the exact same thing happened on there on quite a few occasions where the dates were changed because deceased person had lived so well.

It may not be a well known fact to us but obviously it is to them.

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Jock1e

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john bunyan

Thanks for the update on the Flag.

I thought it was a fitting gesture that as a King he deserved the respect that the Flag gave him on his short journey home.

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Forum Editor

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Confab

What you actually said was that "the bit about him being stabbed in the buttock whilst being ridden on horseback was, well, just made up."

What I said was that archeologists - specialists in this kind of thing - have said that Richard's injury was a sword stab in the buttock, and that it had been recorded that he was slung face down across a horse as he was taken from the battle to Leicester for a hurried burial. You don't have to be an expert to work out that if he was face down on a horse between being killed and being buried, and the injury was to his buttock the chances are very high that it was inflicted by a sword or dagger whilst he was on said horse.

Which make the chances of it being 'pure fiction' pretty low, to put it mildly.

As for your comment that I should remember who I am - I don't need you to tell me my job, thanks very much. I have as much right to express an opinion here as you do, and if you can't accept that your opinions are subject to question, as are mine, without taking offence perhaps you shouldn't post in the first place.

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Forum Editor

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"Without Philippa Langley I don't think there would have been a dig."

There's no doubt that she is certainly a fervent Richard III fan. As one reviewer of the Channel four documentary wrote "...by the level of emotion she had invested in every twist and turn, you could have mistaken her for the dead king’s widow."

The documentary certainly got a massive audience, but it wasn't particularly good. It was confused and disjointed, and at times overly melodramatic, which was a pity. I felt it lost the chance to show the investigation for what it was, a triumph for science; instead there were moments when I felt it was more like a comedy programme.

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Confab

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I never once said that my posts were not subject to question – again that’s you possibly inventing something. It was your comment about me “banging on” which was rude and just a tad offensive. I wouldn’t post that comment about your views.

As for not posting in the first place – well that’s a welcoming comment if ever I read one. I really think that someone should remind you of what your role is and that is to moderate this forum.

Quite frankly I’m getting a tad tired with your comments so I won’t post again. Perhaps you could be kind enough as to remove my login details from the website.

Confab

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Jock1e

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I think maybe because it was all sort of stuffed into the one program.

Maybe if they had only shown half of it and we had to wait till next week to see the other half may have made it bit more exciting.

The old time team dig for 3 days and sometimes come up with very little but they always seem to be delighted with whatever they find.

Bet they wish they had been chosen for that dig.

Anyhow they found what they were looking for and that's the main thing.

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spuds

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While Philippa Lagley of the RichardIII Society had motivation to start this dig, and perhaps gave the opinion that she knew or was aware where the body laid. It was in fact predicted 27 years ago by a local Leicester historian David Baldwin, who did extensive research and investigation work on the subject, and came up with the possible location, and this was published in the Transactions of the Leicestershire Archaeological and Historical Society at that time.

Apparently, Alderman Robert Herrick who was also the Mayor of Leicester, built a mansion on the grounds of the dissolved friary in the 1600's, and had a 3 foot stone pillar erected in memory of Richard III. On that stone pillar was engraved 'Here lies the body of Richard III some time King of England'.

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