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EU In/Out? Is a referendum the best way?

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spider9
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Posted January 23, 2013 at 9:30AM

I'd always thought we were a Parliamentary Democracy, and, as such, we elect paid representatives to take difficult decisions on our behalf.

Membership of Europe is a difficult , complicated topic, and most people (including myself) would be hard pushed to appreciate all the pros and cons - so the populace will now be bombarded by media propaganda aimed at the lowest common denominator, I suspect.

Loads of 'crazy' EU stories will emerge and be fed to the Great British public, with 'good' EU stories being more difficult to show. Hence the media barons will, once again, get their way and politicians can then 'blame' us if it turns out bad.

Weak leadership I'm afraid.

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spuds

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 11:19AM

I know this is off subject, but is New FM the old forum member, activating a New Years resolution?.

I do find it confusing when people use similar or suddenly change their names :o)

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New FM

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 11:26AM

I didn't want to divert the thread by explaining. The site decided fourm member never existed (I checked with the FE that it wasn't anything he'd done) so I thought 'New FM' would be obvious.

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spuds

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 11:32AM

"so I thought 'New FM' would be obvious".

It was, by the similar contribution style at 10.19am.

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Quickbeam

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 11:43AM

That's why I asked too. If it wasn't you that posted, it must surely be son of fm that did!

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spider9

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 1:25PM

New FM *" We know that you are a strong supporter of independence "*

I don't believe I've actually said that - what I have said is that it's up to the Scots (and I'm not one of them!) and will only decide which way I might vote when all the information, or, as you might say 'propaganda' has been heard (and we have till 2014 I am led to believe!!).

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Quickbeam

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 2:00PM

spider9

Is there a difference between the Scottish electorate participating in a referendum that will shape their future as a country, and the UK in general holding a referendum on EU membership that will shape the future of the UK?

If it's weak leadership for the UK PM to offer a referendum on continued EU membership, is it also weak leadership for Salmond to offer the independence referendum choice to the Scots instead of making their decision for them?

If the general population of the UK is considered to be too inept to make the right decision on continued EU membership, is the Scottish faction of the UK population exempt from this presumed electoral ineptitude?

There seems to me to be a great contradiction between your opinion of the electorates ability between the UK/EU referendum vote and the Scottish independence vote.

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New FM

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 2:06PM

spider9

I apologise if I over-stated your position. Will you agree that the tone of your posts is supportive of Salmond?

You are certainly not who I had in mind when I said 'undecideds'.

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spider9

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 4:06PM

Quickbeam *" If it's weak leadership for the UK PM to offer a referendum on continued EU membership, is it also weak leadership for Salmond to offer the independence referendum"*

For goodness sake, there can be no comparison! Do you not understand the position?

The PM does NOT have to ask the electorate on the UK/EU matter, it could be just left as it is.

Salmond, on the other hand, cannot just unilaterally declare independence (or I suspect he might already have!!)- he MUST ask the electorate (under rules set by the mainly English Parliament).

New FM

Apology accepted, and (at this moment) I probably do lean towards Salmond's position on many matters, but this may well change.

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john bunyan

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 4:56PM

New FM

Your choice, of course, but in what way New ? Not more emollient, surely? I quite like the old fm for a bit of a ding dong.

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Aitchbee

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Posted January 27, 2013 at 5:28PM

Just a thought:-

Almost imperceptibly, the choices we make in life and the experiences we live through, can lead us to look back at our younger selves and ask 'Was I ever that person?'. Our natures and identities change with time, just as the cellular structures of our bodies are renewed every seven years or so.

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