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EU In/Out? Is a referendum the best way?


spider9
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I'd always thought we were a Parliamentary Democracy, and, as such, we elect paid representatives to take difficult decisions on our behalf.

Membership of Europe is a difficult , complicated topic, and most people (including myself) would be hard pushed to appreciate all the pros and cons - so the populace will now be bombarded by media propaganda aimed at the lowest common denominator, I suspect.

Loads of 'crazy' EU stories will emerge and be fed to the Great British public, with 'good' EU stories being more difficult to show. Hence the media barons will, once again, get their way and politicians can then 'blame' us if it turns out bad.

Weak leadership I'm afraid.

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john bunyan

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namtas The report in my link was revised in 2005.

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Flak999

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There is no doubt in my mind that it would be much better for us to leave the EU. I don't think that anybody back in 1975 envisioned us joining a "United States of Europe" I believe that most people thought that they were joining a trading block of like minded countries.

I will never believe that it is in this countries interests to give up our sovereign independence and suborn our interests to the leadership of a European superstate led by the Germans.

We fought two world wars to stop German hegemony over the continent of Europe and I for one do not intend to cede them ultimate victory via the back door!

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Quickbeam

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You'll certainly get flack for that reply!!!

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Quickbeam

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with or without the c...

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john bunyan

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To go back to the original question, on referendums.What would be the result of a referendum on death penalty, gay marriage, tightening immigration control, cancelling the EU court on "human rights" , whether the English want the Scots in the UK, and so on. The fact is we have a particular form of parliamentary democracy in which referendums are rare, and I remain uncertain if one on this issue is a good idea.

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shellship

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**fourm Ted Heath, when he was out of politics, was challenged many times that he misled us when we thought it was all and only about free trade. His reply was always that we were to join a federation but he never said so at the time.

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Aitchbee

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I'll be a-listnin' into what Jazza has got to say 'bout the EU 'kerfuffles' in the omnibus edition of the Archers this sunday [as will millions of others] whilst I'm doin' my dirty dishes. David Cameron's 'heart & soul' method of convincing Britain to stay inside the EU, might need the extra 'brains' of his newly-appointed spin-doctor(s) to win a YES vote in the referendum.

PS. I can't get BOLD Italics etc. to work in the reply box :o{

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oresome

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I can't express it any better than spider9.

The question is far too complex to be answered in a referendum and should be answered by our elected leaders taking account of all the economic and political ramifications.

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morddwyd

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"I would go for the out vote just because I do not like laws that stop us deporting murderers rapist and Terrorist suspects back to their own countries."

And that illustrates the problem in a nutshell.

People are simply not aware that that particular issue, like many others, just as contentious, has nothing to do with the EU, but is down to the European Court of Human Rights, an entirely separate treaty obligation.

Anything unpopular, just shout as loudly as possible "It's the EU".

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morddwyd

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" I for one do not intend to cede them ultimate victory via the back door!"

I fear you are too late.

With the exception of the invasion of the UK, which was pretty much an afterthought anyway, German intentions of the 1930s have been 95% achieved.

A unified Europe, led by a Franco-German alliance with weak French politicians dominated by strong German ones, the British Empire finished as a world influence, and the UK banished to the periphery.

Cameron is just putting some finishing touches to it.

For the record, I like Germany, I have lots of friends there, and holidayed there every year until travel became impossible.

While I don't particularly like Merkel I think Adenauer, Brandt and Kohl were some of the ablest politicians seen in Europe since 1945.

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