**fourm Ted Heath, when he was out of politics, was challenged many times that he misled us when we thought it was all and only about free trade. His reply was always that we were to join a federation but he never said so at the time.

I can't express it any better than spider9.

The question is far too complex to be answered in a referendum and should be answered by our elected leaders taking account of all the economic and political ramifications.

" I for one do not intend to cede them ultimate victory via the back door!"

I fear you are too late.

With the exception of the invasion of the UK, which was pretty much an afterthought anyway, German intentions of the 1930s have been 95% achieved.

A unified Europe, led by a Franco-German alliance with weak French politicians dominated by strong German ones, the British Empire finished as a world influence, and the UK banished to the periphery.

Cameron is just putting some finishing touches to it.

For the record, I like Germany, I have lots of friends there, and holidayed there every year until travel became impossible.

While I don't particularly like Merkel I think Adenauer, Brandt and Kohl were some of the ablest politicians seen in Europe since 1945.

Straight off,no,my view will change only if we have an honest and open debate void of the shrill comments by the naysayers and clarity from the yeasayers.

A clear understanding can only be undertaken when the pro's and con's are set out without bias,an impossible view i fear,'our' thoughts on the point are already coloured by media twisting and turning as well as the GOV's selective use of various treaty obligations when it suits them.

My present view is that the EU will not 'curb its enthusiasim' for greater central power or engage in clear and much needed reform,especially regarding its fiscal status,still no signing off of the audit and that its expansion was fast tracked without accepting or even acknowledging the issues.

There is still too much secrecy and not enough transparencey in the EU,that democratic deficit is a sore point among many sore points.

It tickles me to see that you think there is going to be a referendum, too many ifs and buts in my opinion, and then you think that the question will be simple enough to give a yes/no answer.

To me the real problem is with immigration, there's just too many coming in to the UK and Ireland and remember Bulgaria's and Romania's citizens will be eligible to come over later this year. As an avid fisherman I have seen the wholesale rape of our rivers and lakes by a lot of these people and it sickens me. I don't know if leaving the EU would mean that they are all sent back home (probably not) but if it did mean that, I for one would vote for leaving.