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Al94
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Ok, I know I'm probably asking for trouble here but something I saw yesterday that really irritated both my wife and myself.

Sir Ian McKellen (an actor who I usually have respect for) was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show yesterday morning. I didn't see the entire interview but we were both incredulous at the part where he said he was off to Edinburgh to visit and talk to schools to promote homosexuality and affirm the ideal that it was ok to be gay. He said school children's jaws usually dropped when they heard that it was once possible to be jailed for being in love with someone of the same sex.

As a parent (albeit of offspring now old enough to make their own minds up) I would have been incensed if I thought that sort of message was being sent out to my family in our schools. It is bad enough that so many children's tv programmes portray this as a totally normal alternative.

I don't consider myself to be homophobic, I am opposed to gay marriage per se as I believe marriage should be reserved for the traditional male/female partnership but at the same time I know several gay people and don't have any issue with their relationships - what they do is entirely their own business. I respect them and they respect my opinion.

I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm.

Am I wrong?

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nickf

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I see your point . But surely not admitting your homosexual , is surely admitting that there is something wrong or shameful or that society in general thinks it is not acceptable .

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Al94

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OK, basic question - if you see a boy and girl holding hands and kissing in public, do you feel as comfortable when you see two boys or men doing the same thing?

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bumpkin

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Certainly a thought provoking posting with many responses including the organs of bees but how much more bizarre can it get before we move on.

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nickf

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Fm , I fully understand the point you make , and it is perfectly valid , I think highlights a key issue . That is that whilst we are all told that it is perfectly ok to be homosexual , and on the surface people will agree , but deep inside they don't accept that ( for what ever reason ) . I think most parents would feel disappointed if there child told them that they were homosexual , although most , out of lovefor there child would not openly say this . I am of the opinion That this will never change , as one of the key driving instincts for us is to pass on your genes , so as a parent , to be told by your child that they have chosen a homosexual life could be quite devastating to them .

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pavvi

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I'm surprised that no-one has researched what Sir Ian Makellen has said on the matter. Here is what he says

http://www2.newcastle.gov.uk/life.nsf/articles/D74214FE0B2500408025782C004A15BC?OpenDocument

What actually got me out was something relevant to you. It was 25 years ago and the government were passing a law which said in the future it would be illegal for a state school like this one to speak positively about homosexuality on the grounds that to speak positively like I am now about being gay would be to promote homosexuality. As if by me telling you about my life, I’m encouraging you to become gay. Well you can’t promote homosexuality like you can promote a new car, or promote soap powder on the television. It’s not an advertising campaign I’m on about. It’s as silly to say if you talk about homosexuality you would turn someone into being gay as it is to say if you learn French you’ll turn into a Frenchman. No you won’t. I don’t think sexuality actually can be changed. I think you’re born with it. It’s god given if you like. There’s nothing you can do about it. There was every pressure put on me to be straight, but it didn’t work and I was gay. And if you’re straight I can’t turn you in gay by just talking about it. You wouldn’t. However this law thought you could. And I took great offence at this as I thought it was suggesting that people like me were second class citizens and would be treated as such. So I came out.

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pavvi

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nick f

I'm sorry, but a loving parent's first consideration is not the "passing on of their genes". That's like something out of upstairs downstairs where passing on the family title was more important than loving your son/daughter. As Sir Ian has put it above, homosexual people don't choose to be homosexual. That's ridiculous suggestion. Why exactly would anyone choose to be homosexual and live with all the finger pointing and the sniggers? You are not what you choose to be. You who you are.

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pavvi

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Back to the OP:

I don't think bearing in mind what Sir Ian has said above (actually in 2010 in Newcastle) that he ever said that he was promoting homosexuality at all. He gives talks on bullying. I have found part of the Andrew Marr interview on bbc.com but for some reason they cut it off before he has finished.

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nickf

"I do not and would not advocate any form of unequal treatment for homosexuals , any morethan I would for any other disabled Group"

Can you not understand that by referring to homosexuals as a 'disabled group' you are making an offensive remark? I'm not gay, but if I was I believe I would be offended to think that it marked me out as 'disabled' in your eyes.

Whilst there are people with your way of thinking there is always going to be a problem. Hopefully, with more people like Ian McKellen prepared to make the effort to educate young people in schools we'll eventually escape from the kind of attitude you and others have displayed here. Homophobic behaviour is usually provoked by fear and ignorance, and given the chance,education can deal with both. A recent study in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology says that a combination of repressed same-sex attraction and authoritarian parents causes homophobia.

Whatever the cause, homophobia is a distasteful aspect of our society, and the sooner we can educate our children to know the facts, rather than the myths the better.

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nickf

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FE , would you not agree that we are genetically designed to have sex with a member of the opposite sex ? To do otherwise MUST be an error . I am sorry if my comment causes offence , it was not intended to do so . I served in HM Forces to protect the rights of ALL people in our country , and would gladly do so again if I were young/fit enough .

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nickf

"would you not agree that we are genetically designed to have sex with a member of the opposite sex ? To do otherwise MUST be an error"

We have certainly evolved to procreate, and thus perpetuate our species, and homosexuals can do that as well as anyone. Gay men are perfectly capable of impregnating women, and Gay women are biologically equipped to have babies. Lots of homosexuals become biological parents.

The difference, and that's all it is, is that lots of people are naturally sexually attracted to members of the same sex, or to members of both sexes. It has always been the case, but it has only been acceptable for gay people to live openly in our society for a relatively short time - it was only in 1967 that an act of parliament made sex in private between two men legal in England and Wales. It was illegal in Scotland until 1980,and until 1982 in Northern Ireland.

The relaxation of the law surrounding homosexuality made it possible for a lot of people to 'come out', and it has largely been that which resulted in the common misconception that homosexuality is on the increase. There have been homosexuals in all levels of society in all countries for many thousands of years, but in the past most of them have been so persecuted that it made sense to them to keep quiet about their sexuality.

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