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Al94
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Ok, I know I'm probably asking for trouble here but something I saw yesterday that really irritated both my wife and myself.

Sir Ian McKellen (an actor who I usually have respect for) was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show yesterday morning. I didn't see the entire interview but we were both incredulous at the part where he said he was off to Edinburgh to visit and talk to schools to promote homosexuality and affirm the ideal that it was ok to be gay. He said school children's jaws usually dropped when they heard that it was once possible to be jailed for being in love with someone of the same sex.

As a parent (albeit of offspring now old enough to make their own minds up) I would have been incensed if I thought that sort of message was being sent out to my family in our schools. It is bad enough that so many children's tv programmes portray this as a totally normal alternative.

I don't consider myself to be homophobic, I am opposed to gay marriage per se as I believe marriage should be reserved for the traditional male/female partnership but at the same time I know several gay people and don't have any issue with their relationships - what they do is entirely their own business. I respect them and they respect my opinion.

I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm.

Am I wrong?

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woodchip

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As to how man days it says it took to create the earth, It does not say that they are 24 hour days, all days in a week are the same length, read it again and you will see that each day Came to a end with the words, "it was very good" but it says about the seventh day nothing about it coming to a end, it also says in the Bible that rest day is still continuing, and that some of the so called religionists of that day would not enter into that rest, It says of Jesus disciples that they was unlettered not so called wise or intellectuals ones.

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lotvic

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The Scotland 'tour' is just an extension of the talks in England Schools, and is part of Anti-Bullying Education and probably comes under Social Studies. The Talkers are invited.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/apr/12/ian-mckellen-gay-tour-schools

It has nothing to do with Religion per se.

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lotvic

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fourm member, Who do you think you are to say that someone cannot have whatever personal view or belief they want of a subject.

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Forum Editor

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woodchip

"we have a choice to take any path we choose and its not for me to say what path anybody takes that is left to someone higher than me"

From which I deduce that you believe people can choose whether or not to be homosexual - which is plainly ridiculous. You don't choose to be heterosexual, it just happens, and so it is with homosexuality. I cannot understand why some people persist in thinking that homosexuals mad a conscious decision about their sexual orientation.

As for it being "left to someone higher than me" I take it that you believe in God. I don't, so to me it's a silly concept. In my opinion God doesn't 'decide' that this or that person will be homosexual or heterosexual. It's a matter of human biology.

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Al94

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I have held off posting further until the thread appeared to have largely run its course. This has been one of the liveliest thought provoking threads here for a while and I make no apology for originating it.

Many of the usual thread ingredients have emerged including personal slap downs for allegedly holding alternative views, going off at a tangent on unrelated points (religion in this case), turning the question into the rights and wrongs of homosexuality which was not the idea of the original post.

The way the thread has developed raises concerns that a lot of people appear to have very simplistic and unreal opinions on the development of sexuality in the young. To claim that you are simply born either gay or straight and live the corresponding lifestyle for the rest of your life is naïve in the extreme. Yes many know from an early age that they are homosexual but there are significant numbers who are confused due to many factors such as immaturity, insecurity, lack of confidence, personal experiences etc. As a result they are at risk of making the wrong choice and regretting it at a later stage. The following links are two stories worth reading if you have the time and the interest.

http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42385/

http://tinyurl.com/bpd4yuf

Hopefully these may give some understanding of where I am coming from. On reflection, I would have worded part of my original post slightly differently, my main concern is the potential effect of high profile homosexuals being brought into schools to talk to young people, some of whom may be at a confused time in their lives and may be influenced to adopt a lifestyle they later regret. They may be there on the basis of attempting to remove prejudice but I would be concerned this is a risky platform for homosexual endorsement.

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spuds

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Well off subject, but I notice that recent records are stating an increase in teenage pregnancies, and the UK is showing signs of increasing compared to some parts of the world, excluding the USA, which as an higher teenage pregnancy figure than the UK.

There was a BBC Newsnight 'special' on this subject yesterday, and it seemed to portray how parent's, school's and education are failing on this subject.

Perhaps we should enlist and invite some celebrities to attend school's etc, and give their views and lectures about this subject of teenage pregnancies instead of homosexuality?.

But as I said, well of subject in this thread, and possibly a venture in another?.

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Al94

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fourm member

I did not say or even hint at the fact that the examples in the links fit everybody. Quite the reverse.

If you are a strong supporter of any cause and are asked to go and talk about it, how likely are you to highlight the negative aspects as much as the positive ones?

If having concerns about how homosexuality is being promoted to our youth is homophobic - then so be it. I have witnessed first hand the effect that confusion and wrong lifestyle choice has had on some young people leading to unhappiness, depression and sadly a number of suicides. Many of these had a common thread - that was they were not strong characters, had self doubt, insecure, were curious and believe it or not, thought it might be "cool" to be gay and stand out from the crowd. They embarked on numerous encounters, found no fulfilment and thought there was no going back with tragic consequences.

Do not underestimate how fragile young minds can be.

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Joseph Kerr

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Those fragile minds probably don't need religious zealots making it worse, then.

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"Do not underestimate how fragile young minds can be."

What a pretentious remark. You talk as if 'fragile young minds' are somehow going to be irreparably damaged by someone coming to their school to talk about a perfectly natural aspect of humanity. It's ridiculous to infer that would be the case.

The damage is far more likely to be done by bigoted parents, locked into their own perceptions of homosexuals being some kind of untouchable social class.

Years ago I was invited to talk to schoolchildren about what it meant to be a parent. I wasn't sure how it would go, but I was astonished at the reception I got. The children - all around 15 years old wanted to know about all kinds of things,including the sexual side of married life, They were uninhibited and hungry for information. A common reaction was 'our parents think we're stupid, and don't tell us anything'.

Fragile minds? My impression was of robust, enquiring minds, and I came away realising that it's far better to tell children the facts, and let them make up their own minds than make decisions on their behalf without consulting them.

If a few people decide to experiment sexually as a result of listening to a gay person talk I can see no harm in it - better for them to have information presented to them in a balanced, structured way than to gain it from looking at porn on the internet.

It's time to join the real world, for that's the one your children inhabit, whether you like it or not.

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sunnystaines

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a lot of young people are gay as it is fashionable these days with all the hype in the media and TV. talks like these just make it worse.

i can remember men kissing in public was classed as outraging public decency and men hanging around toilets were loitering for immoral purpose or impertuning pity these laws are no longer enforced.

as long as their behaviour is not in public thats ok, i feel it should not be pushed to kids let them decided when they are older.

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