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Al94
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Ok, I know I'm probably asking for trouble here but something I saw yesterday that really irritated both my wife and myself.

Sir Ian McKellen (an actor who I usually have respect for) was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show yesterday morning. I didn't see the entire interview but we were both incredulous at the part where he said he was off to Edinburgh to visit and talk to schools to promote homosexuality and affirm the ideal that it was ok to be gay. He said school children's jaws usually dropped when they heard that it was once possible to be jailed for being in love with someone of the same sex.

As a parent (albeit of offspring now old enough to make their own minds up) I would have been incensed if I thought that sort of message was being sent out to my family in our schools. It is bad enough that so many children's tv programmes portray this as a totally normal alternative.

I don't consider myself to be homophobic, I am opposed to gay marriage per se as I believe marriage should be reserved for the traditional male/female partnership but at the same time I know several gay people and don't have any issue with their relationships - what they do is entirely their own business. I respect them and they respect my opinion.

I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm.

Am I wrong?

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"What a ridiculous argument to make, how many children want to know anything about their own parents sex life. Of course they would ask a stranger if the opportunity presented."

Pay attention at the back! Perhaps it's time to read what is said, rather than making it up.

Who mentioned anything about "their own parents sex life"?

I said "The children - all around 15 years old wanted to know about all kinds of things, including the sexual side of married life", and it wasn't an argument - it was a statement of fact.

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pavvi

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I think that a wider problem is that there is too much stigma in the subject of sex. In this case, I'm talking generally not about sex according to orientation. How many parents teach their children about sex early enough? How many of them still call it 'the birds and the bees'? Some may look at that phrase and smile missing the 'good old days'. But this is the root of many of the problems.

Yet when a school talks about teaching sex education at a young enough age for the information to be useful, The Daily Mail jumps up and says how disgraceful this is.

Sex has to stop being a taboo subject and educating children about sex, and educating them about orientation is not titulating them. They need to be taught how sex comes in context within a loving relationship and taught the risks of not having good sexual discipline (sleeping around with or without protection for both physical and emotional heath of them and others they interact with.). We are backward in this respect in this country in the education of our children. Children are too often left to search the internet for information on sex, and that is NOT best practise. Like I say, proper education is not titulation. It is informing and educating them. Do people seriously think that Sir Ian will show gay porn in these lectures? Educating is NOT promoting homosexuality.

Teenagers don't want to know about their parents having sex - it's all very eeewww! as far as they are concerned. That doesn't mean they aren't curious. Surely it is better that they are educated properly and then their first development as a young adult can be properly informed. And yes, I do think that children should be educated about different orientations in order to do something to fight against the prejudice against people who are considered 'different'.

Children will experiment emotionally, that happens all the time, but they will find their true selves. But we have to trust them to make their decisions. That's how children mature into young adults.

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marvin42

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"young people who do not identify as heterosexual are four times more likely to take their lives than their heterosexual classmates"

Is this not due to the lack of understanding within society and the "shame" which is unreasonably felt by gay children?

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pavvi

Thank you for your last post - you state the case far better than I could.

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"...young people who do not identify as heterosexual are four times more likely to take their lives than their heterosexual classmates,"

That's an interesting statement - can you post a link to the source of the statistic?

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Bing.alau

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I can't read any more of this rubbish. Homosexuals are just not natural. Men and women were made to complement each other. There is nothing natural about two men having sex together or two women having sex together. It's as simple as that. Teaching that it is natural, to children in school is in my opinion stupid. Teaching anything to children about sex is stupid. Let them find out naturally as they grow up. "Kids grow up to quick these days" is always being spouted at us. No wonder they grow up too quick with all this rubbish being taught them.

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Joseph Kerr

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Well, at least he won't be reading this thread anymore.

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pavvi

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The risks of not teaching sex education and constantly treating sex as something to be treated as a taboo are dark and dangerous. It's often said that teaching children about sex is taking away their innocence. I'd rather it was taken away by education than by something more sinister.

The taboo about sex is used by sexual predators to make children complicit and to make them feel unclean and ashamed about what theyhave been part of. If we fail to educate our children, then someone else will in a way that will take far more innocence away from them.

I'm not saying that we should encourage sexual openness to the extent of open shows of sexuality. I'm saying that if we keep it in the dark in the shadows, that's where realnot imagined danger is.

Sex education needs to be more clear, and children taught that sex as part of a loving relationship is heathy at a time when they are ready for it. Educate not titulate. You make is a forbidden area, and you make it attractive to all sorts that you wouldn't want your children to come into contact with.

You cannot be physically there all the time to protect your children, but you can be there to enable them through education.

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pavvi

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Bing.alau

I respect much of what you say elsewhere, but I have to take issue with

"Teaching anything to children about sex is stupid. Let them find out naturally as they grow up.".

That's the kind of thing that creates teenage pregnancies. Children become sexually capable earlier than 16 and they aren't born with natural controls. If no-one teaches them about the consequences of sexual activity, then we go down a very dangerous road.

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Aitchbee

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fm - sweeping statements are your forte.

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