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Al94
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Ok, I know I'm probably asking for trouble here but something I saw yesterday that really irritated both my wife and myself.

Sir Ian McKellen (an actor who I usually have respect for) was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show yesterday morning. I didn't see the entire interview but we were both incredulous at the part where he said he was off to Edinburgh to visit and talk to schools to promote homosexuality and affirm the ideal that it was ok to be gay. He said school children's jaws usually dropped when they heard that it was once possible to be jailed for being in love with someone of the same sex.

As a parent (albeit of offspring now old enough to make their own minds up) I would have been incensed if I thought that sort of message was being sent out to my family in our schools. It is bad enough that so many children's tv programmes portray this as a totally normal alternative.

I don't consider myself to be homophobic, I am opposed to gay marriage per se as I believe marriage should be reserved for the traditional male/female partnership but at the same time I know several gay people and don't have any issue with their relationships - what they do is entirely their own business. I respect them and they respect my opinion.

I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm.

Am I wrong?

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spuds

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Well off subject, but I notice that recent records are stating an increase in teenage pregnancies, and the UK is showing signs of increasing compared to some parts of the world, excluding the USA, which as an higher teenage pregnancy figure than the UK.

There was a BBC Newsnight 'special' on this subject yesterday, and it seemed to portray how parent's, school's and education are failing on this subject.

Perhaps we should enlist and invite some celebrities to attend school's etc, and give their views and lectures about this subject of teenage pregnancies instead of homosexuality?.

But as I said, well of subject in this thread, and possibly a venture in another?.

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Al94

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fourm member

I did not say or even hint at the fact that the examples in the links fit everybody. Quite the reverse.

If you are a strong supporter of any cause and are asked to go and talk about it, how likely are you to highlight the negative aspects as much as the positive ones?

If having concerns about how homosexuality is being promoted to our youth is homophobic - then so be it. I have witnessed first hand the effect that confusion and wrong lifestyle choice has had on some young people leading to unhappiness, depression and sadly a number of suicides. Many of these had a common thread - that was they were not strong characters, had self doubt, insecure, were curious and believe it or not, thought it might be "cool" to be gay and stand out from the crowd. They embarked on numerous encounters, found no fulfilment and thought there was no going back with tragic consequences.

Do not underestimate how fragile young minds can be.

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Joseph Kerr

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Those fragile minds probably don't need religious zealots making it worse, then.

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"Do not underestimate how fragile young minds can be."

What a pretentious remark. You talk as if 'fragile young minds' are somehow going to be irreparably damaged by someone coming to their school to talk about a perfectly natural aspect of humanity. It's ridiculous to infer that would be the case.

The damage is far more likely to be done by bigoted parents, locked into their own perceptions of homosexuals being some kind of untouchable social class.

Years ago I was invited to talk to schoolchildren about what it meant to be a parent. I wasn't sure how it would go, but I was astonished at the reception I got. The children - all around 15 years old wanted to know about all kinds of things,including the sexual side of married life, They were uninhibited and hungry for information. A common reaction was 'our parents think we're stupid, and don't tell us anything'.

Fragile minds? My impression was of robust, enquiring minds, and I came away realising that it's far better to tell children the facts, and let them make up their own minds than make decisions on their behalf without consulting them.

If a few people decide to experiment sexually as a result of listening to a gay person talk I can see no harm in it - better for them to have information presented to them in a balanced, structured way than to gain it from looking at porn on the internet.

It's time to join the real world, for that's the one your children inhabit, whether you like it or not.

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sunnystaines

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a lot of young people are gay as it is fashionable these days with all the hype in the media and TV. talks like these just make it worse.

i can remember men kissing in public was classed as outraging public decency and men hanging around toilets were loitering for immoral purpose or impertuning pity these laws are no longer enforced.

as long as their behaviour is not in public thats ok, i feel it should not be pushed to kids let them decided when they are older.

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Al94

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The children - all around 15 years old wanted to know about all kinds of things, including the sexual side of married life, They were uninhibited and hungry for information. A common reaction was 'our parents think we're stupid, and don't tell us anything'

What a ridiculous argument to make, how many children want to know anything about their own parents sex life. Of course they would ask a stranger if the opportunity presented.

If a few people decide to experiment sexually as a result of listening to a gay person talk I can see no harm in it

Really? You astound me. Are you sure it is being presented in a balanced well structured way?

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Joseph Kerr

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"Are you sure it is being presented in a balanced well structured way?"

Are you sure it is not? How would you have it presented?

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Al94

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Sunnystaines is absolutely correct, young people are being corrupted from an early age by easy access to pornography, the celebrity lifestyles being portrayed as an aspirational way to live and the amount of gay/lesbian material that pervades main stream television - fortunately the majority do not succumb to it but many do.

I really don't have much more to say on the subject other than to point out that young people who do not identify as heterosexual are four times more likely to take their lives than their heterosexual classmates, and beyond anti-bullying campaigns or promises that "it gets better", for the most part we have stopped asking why.

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Aitchbee

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In the foreseeable future, in our brave new world of gene ID mapping, the State will be able to legally allocate the child's sexual preferences before attending class(s) ... and so cut out the 'middle-man'. [It's just my theory, folks].

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sunnystaines

"a lot of young people are gay as it is fashionable these days with all the hype in the media and TV. talks like these just make it worse."

I really do despair when I see comments like this, and some of the others in the thread, including those of the originator. They serve to illustrate the depth of ignorance and prejudice that surrounds the whole subject, and underline the desperate need for a better standard of sex education in our schools.

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