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Al94
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Ok, I know I'm probably asking for trouble here but something I saw yesterday that really irritated both my wife and myself.

Sir Ian McKellen (an actor who I usually have respect for) was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show yesterday morning. I didn't see the entire interview but we were both incredulous at the part where he said he was off to Edinburgh to visit and talk to schools to promote homosexuality and affirm the ideal that it was ok to be gay. He said school children's jaws usually dropped when they heard that it was once possible to be jailed for being in love with someone of the same sex.

As a parent (albeit of offspring now old enough to make their own minds up) I would have been incensed if I thought that sort of message was being sent out to my family in our schools. It is bad enough that so many children's tv programmes portray this as a totally normal alternative.

I don't consider myself to be homophobic, I am opposed to gay marriage per se as I believe marriage should be reserved for the traditional male/female partnership but at the same time I know several gay people and don't have any issue with their relationships - what they do is entirely their own business. I respect them and they respect my opinion.

I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm.

Am I wrong?

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nickf

"It can't be inherited behaviour , otherwise , as a previous poster said , it would have died out thousands of years ago"

Homosexuality isn't a 'behaviour', it's an orientation. That's the first thing to get right.

Secondly, no single, conclusive cause for sexual orientation has yet been found. Numerous studies have failed to come up with any concrete evidence as to cause, and theories abound.

What we can be sure of however, is that it's silly to claim that an inherited predisposition to homosexuality would have meant it would have "died out thousands of years ago". Why would that be the case?

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nickf

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FE , I was nearly expanding on the original coment , "I just think it is entirely inappropriate that our young people from an early age appear to be having the message thrust on them that this is an entirely open acceptable norm." And in reply to your question , with regards to overall society , no , none at all . And I disagree with your statement that homosexual behaviour is not a choice . All homosexuals I have had converstions with ( both female and male ) tend not to support this , almost all being brave enough to admit they chose the lifestyle, and were influenced by others when making this decision . I dont claim that this is a representative of all homosexuals , I can only form an opinion on information I have . I do not and would not advocate any form of unequal treatment for homosexuals , any morethan I would for any other disabled Group

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nickf

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I see your point . But surely not admitting your homosexual , is surely admitting that there is something wrong or shameful or that society in general thinks it is not acceptable .

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Al94

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OK, basic question - if you see a boy and girl holding hands and kissing in public, do you feel as comfortable when you see two boys or men doing the same thing?

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bumpkin

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Certainly a thought provoking posting with many responses including the organs of bees but how much more bizarre can it get before we move on.

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nickf

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Fm , I fully understand the point you make , and it is perfectly valid , I think highlights a key issue . That is that whilst we are all told that it is perfectly ok to be homosexual , and on the surface people will agree , but deep inside they don't accept that ( for what ever reason ) . I think most parents would feel disappointed if there child told them that they were homosexual , although most , out of lovefor there child would not openly say this . I am of the opinion That this will never change , as one of the key driving instincts for us is to pass on your genes , so as a parent , to be told by your child that they have chosen a homosexual life could be quite devastating to them .

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pavvi

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I'm surprised that no-one has researched what Sir Ian Makellen has said on the matter. Here is what he says

http://www2.newcastle.gov.uk/life.nsf/articles/D74214FE0B2500408025782C004A15BC?OpenDocument

What actually got me out was something relevant to you. It was 25 years ago and the government were passing a law which said in the future it would be illegal for a state school like this one to speak positively about homosexuality on the grounds that to speak positively like I am now about being gay would be to promote homosexuality. As if by me telling you about my life, I’m encouraging you to become gay. Well you can’t promote homosexuality like you can promote a new car, or promote soap powder on the television. It’s not an advertising campaign I’m on about. It’s as silly to say if you talk about homosexuality you would turn someone into being gay as it is to say if you learn French you’ll turn into a Frenchman. No you won’t. I don’t think sexuality actually can be changed. I think you’re born with it. It’s god given if you like. There’s nothing you can do about it. There was every pressure put on me to be straight, but it didn’t work and I was gay. And if you’re straight I can’t turn you in gay by just talking about it. You wouldn’t. However this law thought you could. And I took great offence at this as I thought it was suggesting that people like me were second class citizens and would be treated as such. So I came out.

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pavvi

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nick f

I'm sorry, but a loving parent's first consideration is not the "passing on of their genes". That's like something out of upstairs downstairs where passing on the family title was more important than loving your son/daughter. As Sir Ian has put it above, homosexual people don't choose to be homosexual. That's ridiculous suggestion. Why exactly would anyone choose to be homosexual and live with all the finger pointing and the sniggers? You are not what you choose to be. You who you are.

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pavvi

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Back to the OP:

I don't think bearing in mind what Sir Ian has said above (actually in 2010 in Newcastle) that he ever said that he was promoting homosexuality at all. He gives talks on bullying. I have found part of the Andrew Marr interview on bbc.com but for some reason they cut it off before he has finished.

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nickf

"I do not and would not advocate any form of unequal treatment for homosexuals , any morethan I would for any other disabled Group"

Can you not understand that by referring to homosexuals as a 'disabled group' you are making an offensive remark? I'm not gay, but if I was I believe I would be offended to think that it marked me out as 'disabled' in your eyes.

Whilst there are people with your way of thinking there is always going to be a problem. Hopefully, with more people like Ian McKellen prepared to make the effort to educate young people in schools we'll eventually escape from the kind of attitude you and others have displayed here. Homophobic behaviour is usually provoked by fear and ignorance, and given the chance,education can deal with both. A recent study in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology says that a combination of repressed same-sex attraction and authoritarian parents causes homophobia.

Whatever the cause, homophobia is a distasteful aspect of our society, and the sooner we can educate our children to know the facts, rather than the myths the better.

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