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Israel and the Gaza strip


john bunyan

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This seems an intractable problem. The Israelis will not allow ships etc to go to Gaza as they fear smuggling of arms and rockets. Hamas responds by smuggling through tunnels from Egypt.The whole Palestinian embryo State has been seeking statehood for years but even they cannot show a united front. The Israelis continue to build in disputed land. Iran stirs it up in the background. The Israeli response to rocket attacks is disproportionate. The whole thing could get out of hand. Talks seem a waste of time as each side loathes the other. How depressing; there seems little hope for peace in our time.

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Forum Editor

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Nobody is going to start a nuclear war over the Israel/Palestine conflict. At the moment the current situation is one of many that have occurred between the two countries over the years. It isn't on the scale of the 2009/10 conflict, but this time it has been made rather more serious by the fact of Israel's assassination of Ahmed Jabari, the leader of Hamas's military wing. That kind of thing isn't quickly forgotten, and the mood in Gaza is one of aggression. It will take a great deal of clever talking to get both sides to agree to, and abide by a cease-fire.

At the moment the whole Middle east region is less stable than it has been for around 50 years. Syria is tearing itself apart, and Lebanon is too involved with Syria to stay out of that. The Egyptian situation has changed drastically since the departure of Mubarak, and Egypt can no longer be relied upon to provide a calming influence - Mubarak's successor is a Hamas supporter, and so is Turkey. Both those countries are going to publicly support a cease fire but the fact of their support for Hamas is going to give that organisation the impetus it needs to continue the fight.

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kad60

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Surely the most "lethal threat" would come from a biological weapon, the anthrax case in the States and even more so the Aum Shinrikyo case proves that such a singular or cocktail of such agents can be easily hidden and deployed to devestataing effect.

That Saddam,Churchill and the Japs used such weapons does not mean that only leaders are able and willing to use them,there are others in less exalted posistions who,given the opportunity,would be more than willing and able to do so.

An Ebola virus on an unsuspecting population would wreak havoc and terror far above that of todays situation.

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bremner

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What a nice impartial viewpoint.

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spuds

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"Killing someone willing to make peace looks like a bit of a mistake unless Israel didn't want the trouble to end"

What a rather silly statement to make.

Israel and the Arab States are fully aware of the rules of the game, and will continue to play to the rules that suits each other.

I bet at this very moment the Israelis are thinking on the lines that the more rockets fired at them, and doing little damage, will soon result in a a lull or peace process while new stocks are being requisitioned at great cost and effort.

Some of the action is taking place in the Golan heights, and I recall how that area was fortified in the 1970's, and no doubt much more work and security as been adopted since then.

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morddwyd

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"It seems unlikely that any 'small' player would instigate a nuclear exchange when their own lands would be the first to be razed to the ground by the 'big boys'."

I;m afraid this discounts teh "jihad".

As I;ve said before, any Muslim nuking Israel know they will spend eternity in Heaven being waited on by nubile virgins, and in 1,000 years their name will be revered throughout Islam.

They;ve been fighting over this land for perhaps 3,500 years.

Another thousand or so is not going to make any difference.

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bremner

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Fourm member

I would equally "mock" a similarly biased viewpoint if it was from an Israeli perspective.

It is the radical, fanatical bigots and zealots from both sides who for example make statements about the killing of children winning votes, that have led to the current situation.

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spider9

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morddwyd "jihad"

I'm afraid we disagree on this! Jihad has often been seen as lone perpetrators strapping a bomb on themselves and causing mayhem - on the instruction of a 'handler'.

But if you are talking about "any Muslim nuking Israel" then it would require the 'handler' to be a government or sophisticated group capable of producing the means and delivery method.

These 'handlers', would not be likely to want to meet their own 'virgins' (just yet anyway) and would hardly wish a nuclear holocaust to fall upon themselves - not quite the same as a suicide bomber causing only 'local' difficulty that does not put them in the direct, retaliatory, firing line. Whereas a nuclear war would affect everyone, regardless.

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bremner

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It is simple, if you do not want to be compared to a zealot and bigot don't make inflametory statements normally associated with zealots and bigots.

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bremner

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Please show me any reliable story that coonfirms the Israeli government are deliberately killing children so they win votes in their upcoming election.

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Algerian peter ™

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fourm member

This is a first. You quoting Fox news as a source for unbiased news.

How would you expect the UK to react if the Falkland Islands were to be constantly bombarded with missiles every day, for years. Would you expect the United Kingdom gfoverment to shake there heads and not retaliate?

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