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Scotland's Vote Independence or Union?


Bing.alau
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We have plenty of Scots who take part in this forum. I wonder how they intend to vote.

Will Scottish people in England, Northern Ireland or Wales etc., have a vote and if so how do you intend to vote? Will it depend on the address at the time of voting? As I have said before I have lots of Scottish friends but they all live on the south coast of England. (They show a tendency to get away from Scotland as far as possible).

Macscouse had better keep out of this or the LHO will hit him below the sporran.

Seriously though. Will English people living in Scotland on a permanent basis be entitled to vote?

What about all the Scottish people living abroad in such diverse places as Canada and South Africa?

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Picklefactory

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My ex is Scottish... if they vote for independence, can I have her deported?

Seriously, apart from possibly north sea fuels, or what's left of them, I don't really understand how they will be better off. I wonder how much of the Scots are still concerned about independence on patriotic grounds, quite a few I'd guess, but I'd be surprised if there was a majority? I would imagine many would believe their interests would be better served by an indigenous government, and maybe they would at that?

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Jock1e

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The older ones are probably quite happy the way things are running just now.But the introduction of 16yr and 17yr's old might just swing it.

If what I heard on the news is correct I can see why David Cameron is pushing for it.

Off course I do not have the date of the next general election but it must be near the time of the referendum.

With no Scottish MP's allowed to take part in the UK elections or sit in the House of Commons there will be no way that labour could win the next General election.

We asked why David Cameron was pushing for referendum when he announced it earlier this year or last year, is this his his way of staying in power for another term.

A win win situation for him I think.

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OTT_B

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The result of the vote, as with any referendum, will depend on the question that is asked. If the referendum (which is said to be based on a single yes / no question) asks 'do you want England to have any administrative control over Scotland?', it will get a very different result to asking 'Do you want England to continue to exchequer payments to Scotland, in exchange for some administrative control?' The one question that can't - and won't - be asked is 'Do you want Scotland to be an independent nation?'

In one form or another, I can see Scotland's current parliament being given more autonomy, but then even without a referendum, that is happening anyway.

This seems more about Salmond promoting himself than a true and practical desire of the Scottish people, for an independent Scotland.

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oresome

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Never mind how the Scots vote, the decision one way or another impacts on the English, yet we have no say.

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canarieslover

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I'm with oresomeon this issue. As affected parties surely the rest of the U.K. should have a say in this, or would that put the devolution beyond doubt???

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Aitchbee

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The older ones are probably quite happy the way things are running just now.But the introduction of 16yr and 17yr's old might just swing it.

So that means that the 14 year olds [of today] could swing it in 2 years time?

Salmond must be relying/betting on this newly 'mustered/negotiated' teen vote to bolster the AYE votes.

I'll be voting YES. [for independence].

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spider9

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AITCHBEE

16 and 17 year olds will only make up a very small percentage of the voters (even if they can all be persuaded to vote!), so that 'red herring' is unlikely to make any real difference to the outcome.

Jock1e "I can see why David Cameron is pushing for it."

I thought it was the SNP who wanted the 16/17's given the franchise, not the PM??

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Bing.alau

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Can anyone get a bet on with William Hill or any other bookies on the outcome of the vote? I don't suppose the bookies will be taking bets until they find out what the make up of the question actually is.

If it is a straight Yes or No question, then I've got a feeling in my water that most Scots will vote No.

Whatever happens I am sure we will all remain firm friends, won't we?

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Forum Editor

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I think fourm member hit the nail on the head when he said "We know it is all about what people believe not what is true. People believe that Scotland depends on the rest of the UK to finance its spending and anyone trying to present figures to disprove that will just be accused of trying to spin."

The sort of statistic that influences the 'we all finance Scotland' cohort is this:

In may 2011 the proportion of people of working age claiming benefit in Scotland was approximately 14.7%

In the same month the figure for England was 3.7%

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Woolwell

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Whatever happens I hope that after the referendum that the Barnett Formula is ended (or replaced) and that the West Lothian question would be resolved with no Scottish MP's (or Welsh or NI) able to vote on English matters.

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