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Scotland's Vote Independence or Union?


Bing.alau
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We have plenty of Scots who take part in this forum. I wonder how they intend to vote.

Will Scottish people in England, Northern Ireland or Wales etc., have a vote and if so how do you intend to vote? Will it depend on the address at the time of voting? As I have said before I have lots of Scottish friends but they all live on the south coast of England. (They show a tendency to get away from Scotland as far as possible).

Macscouse had better keep out of this or the LHO will hit him below the sporran.

Seriously though. Will English people living in Scotland on a permanent basis be entitled to vote?

What about all the Scottish people living abroad in such diverse places as Canada and South Africa?

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john bunyan

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Quite apart from the economic issues, the military ones are interesting. Will Faslane/ Coulport be available, or will they become "Sovereign bases" as did Akrotiri and Dekelia in Cyprus? Will Scotland have its own Army, Navy and Air Force? The questions on the military issues alone seem endless..Presumably if they vote "Yes" they would be for a while, outside the EU, and the tariff barrier issue arises.

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WhiteTruckMan

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Turkeys voting for christmas. Salmond et al dont seem to be capable of realistically looking at the long term implications of independance. However, should it go their way (as it probably will do, given the amount of time and effort they are putting into rigging it their way) then the first few weeks/months after independance will be a grand and glorious time indeed.

The scottish nationalists are chasing independance like a dog chases passing cars; neither have any idea what they would do were they to achieve their hearts desire.

On another note, Ed Milliblands recent 'one nation' conference speech is becoming a lot clearer. He cannot realistically do more than pay lip service to this idea else it would mean the loss of a significant number of westminster labour MP's at a stroke.

WTM

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Jock1e

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john bunyan

Brother in law was based at Faslane with the R/N for a few years and I used to work at Glen Douglas helping to build N/Bomb shelters about 50 years ago so that area brings back a few memory's.

If the UK shifted their forces from there I am sure the old yanks would be happy to take over a few of the Bases.

I think it would be difficult as you say.

If the UK decided to keep their forces there I wonder if they would have to pay for doing so.

We will always have the Tartan Army or the salvation Army to help us out.

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¿ unsure ¿

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If Scotland did have full Independence would the English exchequer stop payments to ex-pats ( English, Welsh and Northern Irish ) in terms of Old age pension, DLA, heating allowance. As they will be Scottish citizens, will the Scottish taxpayer fund these as it might be, Scotland may not be able to meet the criteria of joining the EU and not compliant with those laws.

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Condom

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As a Scot living in many countries including England I am afraid that I will not be allowed to vote under the current proposals. Personally I think that the powers that be might have made a bad mistake with that arrangement as most of the ex patriot crowd I frequent and know would gladly vote for a separate nation.

Some things are serious and some are actually quite alarming like the Navy Head who has been quoted as saying that it doesn't matter what the Scots say, Faslane will remain an English Nuclear Base. With ideas like that then we are indeed heading for potential trouble.

Again a personal view but I don't think that the Scots will win the vote at the end of the day at least this time around as I don't think the question will ever go away.

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morddwyd

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" I don't really understand how they will be better off. "

And that is what most people just don't understand.

It is not just about being better off, but better.

Most of the countries which have won independence from the UK would hardly be regarded as better off, but I'll wager that most of their inhabitants would say it is better.

No-one is suggesting it would be easy, but, as I have said before, there are those who think that it is better to stand on your feet with an aching back and calloused hands, than to sit at another's table in relative comfort eating whatever you are given.

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Woolwell

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morddwyd

Perhaps that should be phrased as sitting at the table eating more than they contribute and better off than those who provided the table.

I think that if Scotland does gain independence then they may well be in the same situation as Ireland.

Jock1e - the defence situation has changed. I doubt that the Americans would want the bases.

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spider9

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Woolwell "eating more than they contribute "

That is just the attitude (and all the other guff about 'free' this and that) which could be the catalyst to make many proud Scots vote for independence.

It is going to be an interesting couple of years!

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Kevscar1

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The real question is if they go indpemdant can we deport all of them south of the border and rebuild Hadrians Wall.

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Jock1e

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Kevscar1

Maybe better deporting them North of the border.

I am sure that there would be loads of other people from all around the world that would gladly step in and take their place.

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