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Is it now guilty until proven innocent?
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 9:47PM
Reading about the allegations re Jimmy Saville and now Lance Armstrong I always thought it was the other way round but a lot of people seem only too ready to condemn people before any firm evidence shows them to be guilty! Then again the media lead the outcry and too many people are willing to take their word as gospel.
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 10:15PM
I think that, if it is decided to remove Lance Armstrong's TdF Winner's Medal, then any future recipient should be made to prove that he was drug free before it is re-awarded.
I don't believe that LA was any different to those with whom he competed.
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 10:20PM
As to JS, I had originally assumed that just a few young Groupies were involved. There are now so many claims that there is a strong likelihood that some of the claims are true.
However, I was listening to a Gentleman on Radio 4, this afternoon, and I got a strong impression that he, the Interviewee, was jumping onto the bandwagon, in order to milk it for all it was worth.
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 10:49PM
"There are now so many claims that there is a strong likelihood that some of the claims are true."
I think we can safely put it a little more strongly than that - it's becoming increasingly evident that this man abused dozens, if not hundreds of young girls and women over the years. One or two complaints might be considered as suspicious, but the Police are now investigating over 130, and doubtless there will be further revelations.
There can be no trial as far as Savile is concerned, but that doesn't mean the wealth of verbal evidence against him is valueless - it must be obvious to anyone that he was a serial abuser of young girls, and possibly of boys, too.
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 10:54PM
The mass media has always had a tendency to do this and if you chose to take their view then you may sometimes be misled. What I have always found more concerning is that the person charged in the UK has to stand in a dock often surrounded by large policemen or court officials and the jury is looking at this person up there in full view. Not what I would say ideal as a sign of innocence.
Some systems have the person charged sitting with their lawyers beside them and I tend to think this looks a fairer system.
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Posted October 11, 2012 at 10:55PM
The mass media has always had a tendency to do this and if you chose to take their view then you may sometimes be misled. What I have always found more concerning is that the person charged in the UK has to stand in a dock often surrounded by large policemen or court officials and the jury is looking at this person up there in full view. Not what I would say ideal as a sign of innocence.
Some systems have the person charged sitting with their lawyers beside them and I tend to think this looks a fairer system.
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Posted October 12, 2012 at 1:41AM
"...and possibly of boys, too."
That's a curious thing to say.
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Posted October 12, 2012 at 2:29AM
no mention of boys in anything I've heard or read.
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Posted October 12, 2012 at 6:02AM
Well a storey always sounds better if you include a person of the same sex, gives it that "pervert" angle and JS can't defend himself.
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Posted October 12, 2012 at 7:52AM
I don't think there'd have been much difference if he'd been alive, except that every comment would have had to be preceded by "alleges", until court proceedings were concluded.
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Posted October 12, 2012 at 10:08AM
One interview I saw was a former police detective inspector who said he'd had a complaint about the man, but was not believed by his superiors, at the time.
But surely there would have been a record made of that particular complaint, somewhere?
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