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Excessive Force?


oresome

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Alan Duncan, a former Cabinet Minister, has said householders should not be prosecuted for defending their homes after a couple were arrested following the shooting of two suspected burglars.

Whilst I have some sympathy with the householders as it is claimed they had suffered several thefts, I cannot condone their action unless they were being physically threatened and felt their lives were in danger.

The only way to establish if the use of a gun was appropriate is in a court and politics should be left out of it.

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lotvic

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It does happen, June 1st, 2012: Two men who burgled an 87-year-old Oswestry pensioner were yesterday jailed for manslaughter. ClickHere

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Forum Editor

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If someone breaks into your home while you are there, that person is a potential threat to your safety. If the same person carries a weapon of some sort the threat is real rather than potential. You are entitled to respond if you feel that there's an imminent danger of being harmed, but how you respond is important.

Shooting someone because they have broken into your home is certainly not justified, neither is any form of unprovoked violence - that turns you into the aggressor. All this macho talk about the violent responses people would make if they discovered a burglar in their home is immature posturing, and no court is going to sanction it. You are not entitled to beat someone senseless because he came into your house to steal things. You are entitled to protect yourself if you are attacked, or are in fear of being attacked, but you must only use reasonable force, given the circumstances.

You shouldn't have to think too long about it to realise that it's common sense.

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lotvic

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Bing.alau, you snuck your post in, mine was meant to follow Woowell's bottom of page 2

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woodchip

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Every body as a right to protect themselves and there family, property is another matter. Certainly not for taking someone's life for

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lotvic

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FE, I wonder if you would still say that if it was the third time by (various) gang of 2/4 masked burglars and on the previous 2 you and your wife and family had been beaten up. I think most would take their chance with the court not sanctioning it.

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interzone55

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Grey Goo

Everything in my house is insured, I'm not (as in no insurance company can replace me, but they can replace my TV etc).

I feel that if I just let any intruders help themselves, everything will be fine, 99.9 times out of 100 burglars are just looking for stuff to sell for drugs.

I'll have pretty clear CCTV footage of them entering the house, and the footage is recorded off site, on a server at work, and mirrored to another server in Europe somewhere...

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Woolwell

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lotvic - I didn't state that it didn't happen but was not the norm. The threat tends to be overstated.

Regarding this case we do not know the full circumstances so cannot know if excessive forces was used or not.

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namtas

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"All this macho talk about the violent responses people would make if they discovered a burglar in their home is immature posturing"

I totally disagree, I have looked down the barrel of a sawn off shotgun during a jewellers robbery and I can tell you adrenalin takes over and a natural reaction is self preservation, a basic instinct of flight or fight, what is more I do not believe that anyone can predicts how they would react unless themselves or family are threatened until they have been in that situation.

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WhiteTruckMan

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I will not acquiesce to being a victim in my own home. I will not sit quietly while some stranger sees fit to help himself to my lifes labours while hoping that he leaves me and mine alone. That is the way of the appeaser, who is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.

Furthermore, I will be happy to explain myself in court. Because it's a matter of principle, and principles are worth fighting for.

WTM

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Quickbeam

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All I can add is, I hope they get a few people like WTM on their jury.

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