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Excessive Force?


oresome

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Alan Duncan, a former Cabinet Minister, has said householders should not be prosecuted for defending their homes after a couple were arrested following the shooting of two suspected burglars.

Whilst I have some sympathy with the householders as it is claimed they had suffered several thefts, I cannot condone their action unless they were being physically threatened and felt their lives were in danger.

The only way to establish if the use of a gun was appropriate is in a court and politics should be left out of it.

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oresome

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*Why should I be judged for that? I am being attacked and survival comes in to it and defend with whatever means comes to hand.

Wouldn't you?*

Assuming I had a weapon at hand, I have a number of alternatives. I could aim and fire it, or pick up the phone and wait for help to arrive or perhaps display the weapon and shout a warning or even fire a warning shot in the air.

So in my case, the answer is no, I wouldn't use whatever means come to hand unless I considered my family or myself to be in extreme danger.

I think we need to consider that there may be violent householders as well as violent burglars.

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rdave13

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I don't have weapons in the house and I think the majority of householders are the same. If I'm woken in the middle of the night by thieves I'll use anything, and everything, to hand to repel them and would not consider their well being whatsoever. Bless them.

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bremner

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The law allows you to use reasonable force - shooting someone in the back as Tony Martin did is not reasonable and he was correctly prosecuted and convicted, similarly the man who chased a burglar a beat him with a cricket bat.

There have been other more recent cases where householders killed intruders and investigation showed their actions as reasonable and they have not been prosecuted.

As others have said only after a thorough investigation by police and then assessment by the CPS will the facts be estblished.

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wee eddie

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It would be a mistake to expect the Police to arrive within 30 minutes. A more likely scenario is for an Officer to visit 48 hours later.

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Bing.alau

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Surely these burglars should be aware that they are taking a risk of some sort when they enter a persons home. They would certainly be taking one if they entered mine. I think they deserve whatever they get. They know beforehand that they are doing wrong. So if they get their comeuppance. "So be it". I can't understand how anyone can defend them.

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Aitchbee

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There was an imaginary soap 'burglary' last night on Corrie.The hoodie (hooded thief) got smacked on the head with a very large 'stapler' accidently (his face was hidden) by a business partner (and 'friend') of his mum. The lad 'miraculously recovered' after a couple of hours in hospital...and it seemed to knock some sense into him.The man who smacked him on the head with the 'stapler' has been accused/charged of/with GBH....who writes these scripts?

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interzone55

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It's simple really, I'm a pacifist, and I don't subscribe to all the macho bull put forward by some people whenever this topic rears its ugly head.

By not posing a threat to any burglar I don't imagine any burglar would have recourse to pose any threat to me.

Secondly, my house is pretty secure, and I have visible CCTV, so I haven't made my house a target.

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Grey Goo

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alan14

Well I hope you don't get burgled. I can just picture the scene,you making tea for the robbers "One lump or two",can I help with the packing up of my stuff,I have a suitcase upstairs you can use. You will probably be shaking them by the hand as they slit your throat neatly from ear to ear.

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Woolwell

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"as they slit your throat neatly from ear to ear." - that is unlikely. Homicides are at the lowest level since 1983. There were around 750,000 burglaries in 2010/11. This is similar to 5 years ago but much less than a decade ago. The risk is generally lower than people think. See Poverty org

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Bing.alau

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I think you are probably letting them know you have something worth taking from you. Putting in alarms and other devices isn't the answer. But a good smack around the chops when they enter your house is. (My opinion).

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