We use cookies to provide you with a better experience. If you continue to use this site, we'll assume you're happy with this. Alternatively, click here to find out how to manage these cookies

hide cookie message
Contact Forum Editor

Send an email to our Forum Editor:


PLEASE NOTE: Your name is used only to let the Forum Editor know who sent the message. Both your name and email address will not be used for any other purpose.

Speakers Corner


It's free to register, to post a question or to start / join a discussion


 

A letter everyone should read.


Al94

Likes # 0

Received this by email - sums up UK today really -

Subject: Fw: A LETTER THAT EVERYONE SHOULD READ

To David Cameron (Prime Minister) & Ed Milliband (Leader of the Opposition)

You BOTH worry me! (In fact both of your Political parties worry me!!!)

Over the last three years, I find myself becoming more and more fearful of the pair of you, and between you, you are turning this country into a place that I no longer feel at home in, or feel a part of! I watch you in parliament, and no, not just the two of you, but every politician that I see, stand up in parliament sneering at each other, and acting like children (and if you were my children, I would be ashamed of you all). What an example to set!

Although you would like us all to believe that you are putting the needs of this country at the forefront, NEITHER of you are doing that, you seem more interested in "one-upmanship ", in scoring off each other, & denigrating each other, to the detriment of this country & its people!!! It seems to be all about YOU as individuals, and not about what you can DO for this country! It is fast becoming a place that I do not recognize, as the place I always thought, was the best place in the world to be!!!

But no longer!!! You are not listening to the people of this country!!! And here in Great Britain, your counterparts are afflicted with the same disease - is it endemic in all politicians?

I am watching the deterioration of living standards in this country, (and according to you, on a world stage we are doing better than most countries ... REALLY???)... And yet the gap is widening between the "haves" and the "have-nots”. I see our homeless on the streets, our hospitals under-funded and understaffed, our health system is an absolute mess and a disgrace ... And yet I see multi-millions of dollars being sent off shore, in aid to other countries, before attending to this country's needs!

I see the "selling off of water rights to foreign interests, WHY...? Especially when you go to great lengths to tell us that water is a finite resource, & supposedly, we must ALL be careful with how we use it, so that we ensure we have it for the future?

A Carbon Tax,( which you KNOW is just another tax ) which will make NO appreciable difference, to carbon emissions, AT ALL!

A tax, which in spite of all your arguments FOR it, you are doing alone, when other major countries will NOT & DO NOT embrace it, or believe in it ! All that it will do for this country is put working families and small businesses behind the eight ball, what planet are you on, if you think that your few hundred pounds a year, will make even a scrap of difference to the effect of the carbon tax on people? Anyone can see the holes in that argument!!! Do you really think we are that dumb???

Let's talk about Multiculturalism - People have been coming here from other countries, for a better life, for more years than I have been alive (I am 72 years old!)...... Pre & Post war immigrants came for a better life, and settled in and became wonderful contributors to this country, all have contributed to the rich diversity of this country, and some descendants have even fought FOR this country, and they have become U.K. citizens and were glad to be and they had NO handouts from our Government either, ...they worked hard for everything!

I have never before had a problem with all, or any, race of immigrants coming here... However, I DO NOW!!!

Please tell me why we have areas in towns and on large estates all over the country, where police do NOT, & will NOT go, for fear of their life? Please tell me why we can no longer have religion in schools, for fear of "OFFENDING" someone? (The latest little gem is that they are not having, or being funded, for "chaplains” any more, but "Counsellors "?) Please tell me why religious Christmas observances are no longer allowed in some schools for fear of OFFENDING someone? Please tell me HOW Christmas decorations in some stores might OFFEND someone? Please tell me why we have to have segregated days in some swimming centres, for fear of "OFFENDING" someone? Please tell me why we have some RADICAL clerics demanding Sharia Law in this country ... when if we were in THEIR country, this would NEVER be allowed? Please tell me why our laws need to be changed, so as not to OFFEND someone? Please tell me why we are fast becoming a MINORITY voice, in our own country, because of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS? Please tell me WHY Britains cannot legally wear a face covering bike helmet into a bank and yet it is OK to wear a Burqa which covers the whole face? And please tell me WHY, when those people who want asylum here, can wreck our detention centres, and STILL be accepted here?

What does that say, about just who and what are this government's priorities?

The British people that I speak to have genuine concerns about becoming a second class minority in our own country, and the reasons for it, are some of the above. Are you so blind that you cannot see this?

And no, I am NOT racist! (if I did not like Catholics or Protestants would I be considered racist ?) Of course not!

Why is it that if we object to what is happening in our country ... we are immediately labelled RACIST, in an attempt to shut us up?

We are fighting Radical Muslims, in Afghanistan & Iraq, are we not? I hear you say, yes but the Muslims we have here are "Not like that” Well how would we know? ...do we hear ANY of them coming out & speaking AGAINST radicals?? I haven't - have you???

Islam is not compatible with ANY of the values that we hold here in Britain! .....Are not the experiences of France and the Netherlands an example of that? Why do you think it would be any different here? We even have a British born "radical ", whose message is that Britain WILL become a Muslim country, under Sharia Law, & that we had "better get used to it ".

Will both of you start sticking up for this country and its people???

We are the people who put you where you are, and PAY you to look after our interests! ... And you are NOT doing that, by any stretch of the imagination!!!

I would appreciate an answer, from both of you, if only to convince me that once again, I am not talking to a brick wall!!!!!

In case it has escaped both of you ...I would like to remind you that, in the U.K. Government ... is FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, & BY THE PEOPLE. Never forget that......because you sure have up till now!!! Let us get this out to all – please keep forwarding and if you have people in the press or if you know Politicians – let them know we are dis-satisfied with their behaviour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like this post
namtas

Likes # 0

"It is only your personal opinion that it is my personal opinion"

In which case I (as I am sure we all) eagerly await your qualifications.

Like this post
carver

Likes # 0

"if you take a group like the BNP seriously isn't there a danger of suggesting they have something serious to say?"

It was that sort of thinking in the 1930's that allowed a certain person to take control of Germany and start a little war, but I suppose you are correct, well who would have considered only a few years ago that a group of extremists and murderers in Ireland would come to be in a position to be running that country.

Like this post
flycatcher1

Likes # 0

nantas Please add the Observer, Times, Financial Times, The Independant and the Guardian to your list of newspapers.

Just because you read a newspaper does not mean that you agree with everthing on the Leader Page.

Like this post
daz60

Likes # 0

Extremist times lead to extremist views, a pattern that has existed throughout history and the act of asserting 'guilt by association' is the most popular means of expression.

Denying a person/political entity the freedom to express does not invalidate that point of view,in most cases it strengthens it and in one sense shows how fragile democracy can be.

Only by listening to and challenging those views can an understanding be realised as Northern Ireland has shown, as fraught as it is with serious concerns.

Throwing accusations of one "ism" or another is a sure-fire way of stifling dialogue,not exactly conducive to debate in an allegedly "free society".

"extremists and murderers" have always gained power,that is why we have had chiefs,kings, presidents and man's greatest symbol of authority,GOD.

This is just my opinion.

Like this post
LastChip

Likes # 0

For what it's worth A194, I think there's a whole lot of valid points in that letter and I'm not at all surprised that a number of your "friends" agreed. I can tell you for sure from conversations I've had, some quite high ranking people I know of, would have no hesitation in agreeing too.

Those that seriously believe it has no value, need to open their eyes and use their brains.

Whether it was written badly or not, or by whom, and if it's been around for years, is of no importance. People sometimes don't like to recognise the truth, even when it's staring them in the face. After all, it's far easier to play along and accept, than to question. It simply goes to prove how successful successive governments have become in brainwashing their electorate.

I suspect there are many more people that would agree with that letter, than are prepared to let on. Furthermore, you may be very surprised at some of the nationalities that would include. There are moderates in all races. Those who wish to be allowed to follow their beliefs, but who wouldn't impose them on others. One should not stifle debate on the false accusation of racism. It is lack of debate and more importantly, lack of understanding that causes conflict. Or the desire of one side, to enforce a solution on the other at any cost.

I'm astonished to learn that anyone with a brain could not think that it's worth reading.

As for the Muppet Show in Westminster, I'm lost for words.....

Incidentally, I would have posted this yesterday, but PCA's problems prevented me.

Like this post
Forum Editor

Likes # 0

"I'm astonished to learn that anyone with a brain could not think that it's worth reading"

Be astonished. I have a brain, and I think it's absolute drivel. Fortunately the vast majority of right-minded people would think the same.

"One should not stifle debate on the false accusation of racism." That's one of the oldest justifications for racist comment in the book. All racists use it when they need a defence for airing their prejudices.

Like this post
LastChip

Likes # 0

You made that perfectly clear FE and I'm making it perfectly clear I do not.

Debate about a growing real problem is not racist whether you like it or not. The problem will grow if it's not debated and solutions found that are a compromise for everyone involved. It's not simply a justification for prejudice, it's a real concern about the way the country is governed and the policies being driven forward.

Like this post
Forum Editor

Likes # 0

A194

**"Among the professions represented were a retired headmaster, police inspector, accountant, CEO of a building group, financial advisor,two teachers, three civil servants, two owners of SME's. All were in total agreement with the sentiments expressed in the "letter" so perhaps the views are more widely held than many of you think."**

You seem to be labouring under the impression that because people are retired headmasters,police inspectors,accountants, etc., it means they have some kind of better understanding of the world. The truth of course, is that they don't,they are just as capable of being out and out racists as anyone else.

Heed Flak999's excellent advice. Instead of trotting out meaningless lists of people who were at a gathering you attended, develop an argument in support of your opinions. So far all you've done is say that you "fervently subscribe" to every view expressed in a really badly written, rehashed internet chain letter. Do you understand that the same letter was circulating during the life of the previous government with different politicians' names, and that a similar one has been doing the rounds in Australia and America for a couple of years?

It's internet claptrap. Tell us about your own thinking, as long as it's suitable for publication, and do it without dozens of exclamation marks and upper case text. You'll earn more respect that way.

Like this post
Forum Editor

Likes # 0

LastChip

"....it's a real concern about the way the country is governed and the policies being driven forward."

That I can engage with - nothing wrong with being concerned about our government. You don't need to rely on some schoolboy internet letter to make your points for you however. You have a vote; if you don't like what's happening, vote for change and/or lobby your MP. If enough people agree with you things will change. If everything stays the same you can assume that not enough people do agree with you.

Like this post
Snec

Likes # 0

The trouble with voting is you will be voting for more of the same, it happens every time.

Until politicians are forced by law to tell the truth, or suffer serious consequences, the whole system wiil remain flawed. I can't see this law being brought in, can you?

At each election promises are made, many of which are recycled, and we are always told there will be changes for the better. Once elected the promises are broken and any changes that are made often make things worse, not better. The system as it stands does not work and never will for as long as voters continue to vote for provern liars who treat the public as fools. We truly do get what we deserve.

BTW, I don't know what others think but to me much of this thread is more akin to bullying and ridicule than it is to debate.

Like this post

Reply to this topic

This thread has been locked.



IDG UK Sites

Sony Xperia Z3 Compact review: A better deal than the Z3 and most smartphones

IDG UK Sites

Why people aren't upgrading to iOS 8: new features are for power users, not the average Joe

IDG UK Sites

Framestore recreates ancient China for Mr Bean's martial arts misadventure

IDG UK Sites

iPad Air 2 review: Insanely fast and alarmingly thin. Speed tests, camera tests and more