Sorry about the double post PCA wasn't reacting (again!).

People who complain about the dreadful waste of money will no doubt participate in the discussions about the games that will inevitably appear in the forum. They'll watch on TV, and if they aren't on their guard they might just find themselves enjoying the proceedings.

As far as the flame is concerned - the idea (as has already been stated)is to give as many people as possible the chance to carry it and see it on its journey to the games. The torches each burn for around 10 minutes, and the 'mother flame' is always available in a vehicle, should the need for a re-light be necessary.

I think the torches look great, and from what I've read and heard they and their carriers are getting an enthusiastic reception. The flame is due to pass within 500 yards of my house at one point, and I shall be out there to see it and record the event photographically. Now that the games are finally upon us I am determined to make the most of what is shortly to take place. From what I've heard we may have cause to be proud of what we are about to do as hosts. I'm sure there will be a few wobbly moments, there always are, in whichever country the games take place, but that's not the point.

You know what - I think we should be really proud of the world class standard of our grumpy gits...

It's already been very successful for the people flogging their torches on the Internet. I've been looking at one being sold for £110,00.00 with still an hour to bid. I wish I had offered to walk with one now. I have been told they cost the carrier about £200.00 so the profit's not to be sneezed at. I know some of them are using the money to further the sport they participate in. (But not all of them).