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Quickbeam

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I think in the simplest terms, that's what he's saying between the lines.

Cammeron's handbag speech...

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Quickbeam

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Well the only voices I've heard against the use of the veto has been from our own MEPs camp, that says a lot.

All the TV coverage has it portrayed as quite beneficial for us and even Ming Campbell agrees that a sell out would have been disastrous.

More importantly, the EU leaders aren't openly condemning us, seething quietly beneath the surface I reckon, so that suggests that they need us sometime in the future.

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morddwyd

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"the EU has simply too much power over the UK..."

That's like saying that Central Government has too much power over councils, or, to be a bit topical, that Westminster has too much power over Scotland/Wales/Ulster.

We voted to join the EU, and we abrogated some of our powers to do so.

If we don't like it then change it, but don't just throw our toys out of the pram and say we're not playing any more. They'll just carry on without us.

Cameron must face up to the fact that he is not in the same league as Sarkozy and Merkel, and he needs to get some allies this side of the Atlantic.

Let's face it, the Brits won't even join the alliance of conservative parties in Europe. How petty is that?

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buteman

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The point is does the Captain go down with the ship or abandon it.

All the different stories going about today from people that should know is that it cannot survive the way it is just now.

A fortnight from now and it will start going downhill again.

It does not matter how much money they pump into it it cannot survive unless stringent changes takes place.

According to most Spain.Portugal and Italy will have to leave and goodness knows how many more will follow.

So is it best to jump ship now or go down with the rest.

Apart from the money we would loose by leaving and the loss of about 200.000 jobs we could get over it quicker if we left now.

You may think 200.000 jobs is a lot but when you think about the Millions that lost there jobs when M/Thatcher was in control it is only a small amount compared to that.

Like most know every country that joined the Euro all the prices have increased in all of those countries and like you say very expensive to go on holiday now.

Was Cameron right.I would have to agree with him.But I am sure that there are lots that don't.

Same sort of doom and gloom coming from both sides of the Atlantic all agree it cannot survive as it is today.

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ams4127

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We voted to join the EU, and we abrogated some of our powers to do so.

No we didn't. We voted to join the Common Market which is/was a completely different thing.

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Quickbeam

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Yes, I don't remember hearing of any of this political integration and loss of any sovereignty at the time that Heath was extolling the wondrous virtues of being a member. Thatcher had to get us a better deal out of it later on such was the lousy entrance membership that Heath got us.

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badgery

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johndrew "As for the 'experts' in the Labour crowd..."

Might be good to ponder that it was Heath and Thatcher (those well known Labour people!) who took us into all this, and a true Tory, Mr G Brown, who kept us out of the Eurozone, against the expressed will of his own Leader.

Or is my logic as flawed as yours?

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userious?

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So Britain stands alone......not the first time is it.

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Autoschediastic

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morddwyd "We voted to join the EU, and we abrogated some of our powers to do so"..err no we didnt! or i wasnt asked to vote? & i dont remember seeing any such like? we was forced in without an option to a referendum...

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morddwyd

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"We voted to join the EU"

I meant we as in the UK Government, not we as in a referendum, where I voted "NON"!

The thing that really exercises me is that Cameron has done this to protect the City, the bankers, who got us (not just our bankers I know) into all this in the first place.

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T0SH

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How to negotiate by David Cameron, first announce to the world how he is going to deal with those leaders or should that be losers ? from the rest of Europe and tell them a thing or two, ala his hero Mrs T, when he ends up with a bloody nose he then throws a tantrum and tips all his toys out of the pram and stomps of home , (all very grown up and at great cost no doubt) where he expects to get a rousing three cheers from everyone he meets for making a complete and utter plonker of himself and by inference the rest of us in the UK

Cheers HC

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