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Is war between the west and Iran inevitable?


Flak999

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Storm clouds are gathering in the east! Once again it seems inevitable that the west will soon become embroiled in another foreign adventure. Following the sacking last week of the British embassy in Tehran and the closure of the Iranian embassy in London, we seem set upon the inevitable path of conflict with another middle eastern state.

The turmoil that has beset this region continues unabated, it seems from the latest polls that the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt will be the largest party. The upheaval in Syria grows day by day, Assad warned the west "be careful what you wish for." The Arab spring is taking us down the much feared road to Armageddon.

Following the report from the IAEA which pointed to the likelihood of a military application of Iran's nuclear program, we are led to the only possible conclusion, that Israel with the covert or as seems more likely the overt support of the USA will strike Iran's nuclear facilities to stop the development of Iran's nuclear weapons.

Where will this leave us in Britain? We are a firm ally of the US and it would seem likely that we will be drawn into the conflict. How many millions of pounds and how many hundreds possibly thousands of British lives will we have to commit to this perhaps the last of our foreign expeditions?

The retaliation of the Iranians will be to close the straits of Hormuz to the transit of western oil imports, oil prices will rise to astronomical levels and our already fragile economies will implode. Iranian state sponsored terrorism will be visited upon our western cities, is this the beginning of the end game between the west and militant Islam?

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Grey Goo

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Seems like unrest is breaking out everywhere.I suggest this may be of more interesst to the good citizens of the UK than a load of Arabs cutting each others throats. Or maybe not. grass here

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johndrew

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It is interesting that now Iran has both a very dangerous individual and potentially the ability to do severe harm to the world, we rapidly forget that, as with many other countries, we were instrumental in the 'regime change' there as well.

History indicates that all countries progress though their own development which includes such as civil war and various forms of government - we did it in the UK and may well have more changes to come. In some countries the development takes longer and is more violent than in others, however, if left alone it tends to remain confined within borders - not always true as Nazi Germany proved. There is also a tendency for outside interference to make things much worse within the country concerned and to export the problems one way or another.

As a result of the 'help' given to Iran when it was going through change, it could be that those involved have inadvertently made the situation worse.

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Woolwell

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The youtube link posted by Rick'scafe was January 2010. Quite a bit has changed since then. Fortunately it is actually very difficult to make a nuclear weapon. This does not mean that the threat should be taken lightly.

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SimpleSimon1

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Guys

Based on various recent public-domain reports, two things appear to be suggested:

  1. Currently there are various factions fighting for power in Iran and Ahmadinejad actually appears to be the most moderate (although probably not in any way that we would understand the use of that word). It is suggested that the British embassy invasion was down to the hard-line Ayatollah faction who wanted precisely what happened i.e. western powers clearing out of Iran so that their sense of isolation could be reinforced and Ahmadinejad could be further pressured.

  2. Covert action against presumed Iranian nuclear weapon intentions is already under way. Apart from the well-known Stuxnet worm, in the last 2-3 weeks, there have been explosions at a missile-research lab (taking out one of their top general) and one of their enrichment plants. Can't find it immediately but there was a recent comment from an Israeli minister or general along the lines of "nobody can be expected to stand idle whilst their opponents build new powerful weapons" or similar.

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flycatcher1

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We invaded Iran, called Persia then, in the Second World War and made preparations to do so again in 1951. I do hope that cool heads prevent another foreign adventure which could result in disaster in the Middle and Near East.

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the hick

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alan14, presumably the 'new toy' has a propulsion unit, otherwise how can it exceed 120mph, which I understand is about the limit of free-fall under gravitational forces?

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john bunyan

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the hick. Rocket propelled, I thonk See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MassiveOrdnancePenetrator#Specifications

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john bunyan

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Sorry, try here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MassiveOrdnancePenetrator

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john bunyan

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Still nbg! Google MOP Missile!!

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Woolwell

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The 120 mph is for freefall parachute jumps. More aerodynamic objects can achieve higher speeds eg WW2 Tall Boy bomb. MOP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MassiveOrdnancePenetrator

It is the underbars that stop the hyperlink working unless you paste it without clicking on the globe (another poor part of this site?).

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