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Climate change, the story continues


carver
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So it appears we have a second round of e-mails released about what might or might not be global warming http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/23/climategate2first_look/ ,some people believe in it others don't, but whatever your opinion you have to wonder why so much data can not be certified or some people have this overwhelming desire to destroy e-mails that could cast doubt on their findings.

Now another batch of e-mails are released that bring even more doubt as to whether all the doom and gloom is justified.

Small extract "“The science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,” laments one scientist, Peter Thorne"

And right at the end another extract,

“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation?” muses one scientist. “They’ll kill us probably.”

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carver

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Just read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066706/BBC-sought-advice-global-warming-scientists-economy-drama-music--game-shows.html but I suppose that if some one is not 100% sure of their facts its better to silence the opposition, well we can't have some one casting doubts on guess work.

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carver

Look to the right of the article in your link, and see if you can find a single item among the dozens listed that is concerned with current affairs, world events, or indeed anything that isn't gossip column stuff about so-called celebrities.

Then wonder why I find it difficult to place much reliance on anything that the Mail has to say on any matter of weight.

As for silencing the opposition - that can't be done if there is no opposition worthy of silencing.

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T0SH

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I have just one comment to make, all the CO2 presently in this planet or in the atmosphere must have been here since day one, the reason some or most of it got locked up in the earth through photo synthesis by green plants going through their life cycles over millions of years

Now since this is known to be the case, then at some time in the long distant past all of the CO2 must have been in present the atmosphere and the planet must have survived this or none of us would be here ?

So then how can anyone claim that human beings by releasing only some or even most of this CO2 back into the atmosphere, be destroying the planet ?

Cheers HC

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OTT_B

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T0SH

After a fashion, you're right. All the carbon and oxygen that is here now, has always been here (sort of....). But the form in which it is now in the atmosphere (i.e CO2) hasn't always been the case, at least in the time that humans have been around.

Fossil fuels is a good example of this. While no one is 100% sure how crude oil is formed, as long as it is buried in the ground, there is no effect on the atmosphere. As soon as it is extracted and burnt, it adds to the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, amongst other compounds.

But that in itself won't destroy the planet. But it could change the climate, making the environment as we have gotten used very different. The good news is that the mass of the planet won't have changed ;)

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Flak999

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They can't even predict the weather on a daily basis Met office a national joke What hope of predicting global climate change decades into the future!

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T0SH

The amount of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere has fluctuated considerably. It is now known with a high degree of certainty that the last time atmospheric Carbon dioxide levels were as high as those of today was around 20 million years ago. At that time average temperatures were between five and ten degrees higher than they are today, there was no permanent ice cap in the arctic and sea levels were much higher - between 75 and 120 feet higher than today.

The real concern is that atmospheric levels of Carbon dioxide have risen very sharply since the industrial revolution. Prior to the nineteenth century there were 280 parts per million in the atmosphere, now there are 400 parts per million and rising. If this continues temperatures will rise very quickly, and we could be in real trouble. Melting the polar ice-caps and the Greenland ice sheet would raise sea levels to the extent that large areas of currently heavily populated land would disappear beneath the sea.

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Flak999

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Lots of thought provoking articles here GWPF

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daz60

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Earth and Climate

Plenty to read here for sceptics and believers.Climate change is a constant feature of Earth's history we, possibly, would not be here if it weren't.

We cannot reverse that fact,even if by legislation we were to mitigate the most damaging effects caused by human induced change in the short term it would not stay the inevitable.

Adapt and survive that is why we lasted this long,unless there is a paradigm change as regards peoples attitudes and expectations the future looks bleak.

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badgery

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daz60 "..the future looks bleak."

Of course it does, the earth is a dying planet anyway, whatever we do!

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carver

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fourm member * and *FE same link appears here http://thegwpf.org/uk-news/4434-bbc-in-cahoots-with-climategate-scientists-sought-advice-on-economy-drama-music-and-game-shows.html on another wed site, are you suggesting that this is also rubbish and should be disregarded.

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