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Macscouse
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With the forecasts being so dire, do Transport Firms have to do risk assessments before sending high sided vehicles out in this weather?

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morddwyd

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""do Transport Firms have to do risk assessments before sending high sided vehicles out in this weather?" In a word no."

In a word, yes.

Any undertaking must risk assess all aspects of all its operations, from unloading a mega-container into a confined space to a temp going downstairs with a sheaf of documents under his/her arm .

If there is a risk of significant injury such assessments must be made in writing (and H&S inspectors, I mean proper HSE ones not jumped up little local authority jobsworths, are expert at identifying waffle when you are asked why there is no written risk assessment and you try to explain the mental risk assessment you have made some time earlier, and the conclusions you came to and why!).

Such assessments must be made available to the workforce, either individually or through their accredited union safety reps.

Any attempt to demote, discipline or in any way discriminate against an employee who brings up H&S issues is an offence, in fact like all H&S offences, a criminal offence.

There's a lot of rubbish talked about risk assessment, as though it is a black art. We all carry out risk assessments hundreds of times a day, whether by deciding to overtake, dipping an elbow into baby's bathwater, or judging whether to pick up and eat a hot chip.

(If anyone is really interested, there is a very simple Five Step Guide on the HSE website, or in the past I have sent my own, even simpler, risk assessment guide out to a couple of members who asked for it)

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Crosstrainer2

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Woodchip

LOL

betws-y-coed,

But you are right about the wet bit. If we have snowfall like last year, no amount of forward planning is going to prevent stoppages.

Asda failed to deliver my Christmas food shopping, the close was simply impassable. Hope it doesn't happen again.

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Quickbeam

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""do Transport Firms have to do risk assessments before sending high sided vehicles out in this weather?"

More precisely, In theory yes, in practice no.

The get out clause is that 'It wasn't that bad when he left the yard officer'. I know of any transport firm that would stand it's fleet due to a forecasted weather adversity. There's plenty of of H&S on handling and safe manoeuvring to keep the inspectors happy, but when it comes to someone saying they're prepared to stand a fleet due to weather, forget it!

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Quickbeam

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Correction ...I don't know of any.

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morddwyd

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"'It wasn't that bad when he left the yard officer'"

If I was checking such a risk assessment I would expect to see under "Special Measures - Where high winds are forecast within xx miles of the planned route the duty fleet manager will obtain detailed local weather forecast from (an accredited forecasting agency). Where such a forecast is not already in writing, e.g. fax or download, the call must be logged.

If such a forecast shows winds in excess of xx mph drivers are expected to ............." (you cannot actually tell a driver what to do in such circumstances, like the captain of a ship, he is in charge at the scene, but like any other worker he must be prepared to justify any deviation from the recommended H&S procedure. It is a defence to show that alternative arrangements were necessary and adequate to meet changed circumstances)

Believe me, I've risk assessed government funded ice/winter climbing expeditions by student parties in the Highlands, and I wouldn't have lasted long if I'd tried to stop that funding coming in by banning the activity. Risk assessing weather affected activities does require some thought, but it's not difficult, even for a leader, let alone a trained H&S professional.

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Quickbeam

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Meanwhile in the real world...

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Aitchbee

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Dad's Army ...more like it.

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morddwyd

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"Meanwhile in the real world..."

QB

I don’t know if you are suggesting that my experience is not in the real world, but before taking up an appointment in academia I was sole HSO at a major operational flying base operating three squadrons of Tornadoes.

The transport fleet there ranged from minis to run people to the station to Queen Marys running aircraft wings through three countries, and included school buses, fuel bowsers, Coles cranes and aircraft tugs. We also had half a dozen fire engines and a few ambulances.

I also had to cover a light railway, various bulk explosive and ammunition stores and bulk fuel installations.

Then after coffee break I had some libraries, a primary school, several catering size kitchens, firing ranges, a CS gas testing facility, an operational fire station and sundry hangars and aircraft shelters, not forgetting the station golf club.

Oh, and, of course, a working airfield.

Don’t know what’s in your “real world” but in mine that’s some fairly good reality!

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Aitchbee

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The 'risk assessment team of the UK government' headed by William Hague and Liam Fox regarding the nation's defences, would do well to employ people like you, morrdwyd.No joking.

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