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Is it Time to Shut the MET down and start again


zzzz999

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Yet again, we find out that the MET have lied regarding a fatal shooting. The 'gansta' that opened fire on them (and appears to be the catalyst for the Tottenham riots) forced them to return fire and kill him - evidenced by the bullet in the police radio. Well, guess what, the bullet fired 'at' the police, that ended up embedded in the radio of a police car, was a police issue bullet fired from a police gun.

We have had men carrying chair legs being shot and of course Brazilian plumbers (that story changed about 6 times as the police were caught out by CCTV and witnesses). We have had the shameful behaviour of the MET with regard to News International and we even have had a senior MET officer admit that as an organisation its institutionalised racist.

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Joseph Kerr

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Wow, not sure what I did with my formatting there.

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woodchip

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Just my thoughts, Young people today have no hope when they look at society and how it is being run, so they will take every opportunity to get what they want out of life when they can. Who is to blame them when--Evolution says only the fit survive! I don't think that, do not get me wrong. Just pointing out that they are Jobless Moneyless and see Commercialism Taking people for a ride at every corner. This thread says it all when they post such a daft question. As above that would not be the answer nor is it going to sort things out by one blaming another. Things run a lot deeper that the surface in this instance.

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Forum Editor

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Joseph Kerr

"No, I "sneer" when you support wrongdoing with excuses which may not be the case here, but has been in the past."

I invite you to point me to a single instance of my support for wrongdoing.

I think you'll find that I support a balanced view of a subject that tends to bring the knee-jerkers to the fore in double-quick time. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, and I have never, and will never support it. You will find no example of me doing so, and I look forward to an immediate apology from you for suggesting otherwise.

I suspect I shall have a long wait, but possibly a little more sneering in the same vein as "And then told me who he really is to be emotive." A disgraceful and spiteful remark to make, but absolutely true to form.

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morddwyd

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"Deploying the army would be a very big step, as they've never been deployed to quell unrest in mainland Britain"

I suggest you Google "Tonypandy Riots".

"read the Riot Act,"

Repealed 1973.

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interzone55

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morddwyd

I bow to your superior knowledge.

I was only born in 1969, so I don't remember the Tonypandy riots :-)

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Forum Editor

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Churchill did indeed send troops to Tonypandy to reinforce an inadequate and badly commanded Police force during the period of the Tonypandy riots.

Stories that the troops fired on miners are totally without foundation however, although they persist in Wales to this day.

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Joseph Kerr

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Indeed you have not shown any support for any wrongdoing, and I apologise for saying otherwise. However, at every turn, you have said, basically, that the Police do a hard job. I'm aware of that and we probably do not remunerate them or respect them enough when there are many less respectable types making much more for less worthy work.

I do not like the fact that you always say "yes, but its a hard job", but that is not the same as condoning any bad behaviour on the part of the Police, I acknowledge.

It was not my intention to be spiteful, though I can see I appeared so. But I am still not sure of the point of telling me about your friend then revealing he is your brother; I am unsure of the effect you wanted this to have on me.

I understand the instinct to be defensive of proffesions when we have fmaily members in them. It's not quite the same but a family member of mine is a manager with NSL Services Group, so I'll happily tell anyone who has been ticketed in her area that I can be 99.9% certain that they were illegally parked.

The above is all meant in the best possible taste.

Goodnight FE and all.

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john 52

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spider9

**"Is it Time to Shut the MET down and start again" Obviously the answer must be "Yes".**

I nearly fell off my chair after reading the first 2 lines of your reply your posts always seem to logical and was shocked .

The Met needs an good overall from an experienced outside source possibly from retired officers with vast experience of police operations and preferably without Met connections .

What we do not need is a job for the boys with close connections to our politicians

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john 52

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Regarding the riots this is nothing to do with political issues or the unfortunate shooting that has taken place it is just plain and simple criminal acts that has taken place ! we have created a social underclass in this country and this was always on the cards to happen at some point in the future .

How the government reacts to these riots is very important as it sets a marker for the future . With regards the shooting if a suspect is carrying a gun whether the police fired first is irrelevant in my opinion lets face it the police are just ordinary men and women wanting to go home at the end of there sift to see there families and if a suspect is armed the police should not come under investigation if they fire first .

I do not condone the American policing methods but it is a case of fire first ask questions later

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spider9

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John52

You said "I nearly fell off my chair..."

...and I am staggered that you think my reply was a serious one!!!

Please read it carefully, right down to where I say "Well thought out that man" (referring to the OP's original question) - and I hope you may revise your opinion of me! It always seems difficult to project sarcasm in a written word!

With regard to your last post (5-32am), I have difficulty with two statements in the first paragraph:-

"this is nothing to do with political issues" and then " we have created a social underclass in this country"

These cannot be mutually exclusive, surely? If we create this 'class' then we must expect riots, eventually, (which is presumably what you are saying) - so political issues DO have a causative effect.

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