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Scottish election and SNP win


TopCat®
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I see that the SNP have won 69 seats and thus gained an overall majority in the Scottish Parliamentary election. Gaining this majority now means he has enough Holyrood votes to hold an independence referendum. Do you think that Alex Salmond, when elected the First Minister of Scotland, will now strive to achieve his long-held wish?

Secondly, what in your opinion would separation mean to the rest of us in Britain? TC.

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spider9

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natdoor

Why would the leader of a nationalist party that actually wants independence be a fool? Does it follow that anyone who has a different view to yourself is foolish?

Like it or not the people of Scotland voted for the Party that has independence as it's key feature (otherwise what point is their in being called SNP?) - so by your logic Scots are mainly fools. (..and since Scots of one kind or another have held ruling positions in UK governments over many, many years, then I suppose that makes the English and Welsh fools as well??).

Where is the deceit? Salmond consistently said the referendum would be towards the end of the term, and he's still saying that. Sounds consistent to me.

Following from what FE said, I think a lot of people may eventually be swayed to a 'yes', depending on how Salmond handles the next few years. And, of course there are different kinds of 'independence', just financial or total.

Interesting years ahead, no doubt about that.

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natdoor

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All students from continental EU countries are entitled to free university education in Scotland. Under EU law, all students are entitled to study in another EU country under the same terms as locals. At present, English students are excluded because they are not from a different EU state. Should Scotland become independent and an EU member, the English, Welsh and Northern Irish students will qualify for free university education.

Of course there would be many other complex ramifications and much of the industrial base in Scotland, especially defence related, would be transferred elsewhere.

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spider9

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Business reaction

Not all business seems to be as pessimistic as fourm member!

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morddwyd

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Most of the polls and predictions give about 70% of the people against independence and Alex Salmond knows it. That's unlikely to change much for some time.

That's why Wendy Alexander, when she was still a power in Scottish politics, said "Bring it on." when asked about such a referendum, and that's why the main opposition parties were so stupid when they combined to prevent it in the last Parliament.

She knew, and they didn't, that Salmond would suffer such a humiliating defeat that he would have been finished as party leader, and the SNP would have been a spent force in Scottish politics for at least a generation.

They played right into his hands.

He has already said that the referendum will be in the second half of the parliament. I suspect it will be around the last twelve months or so, so that he will be able to fight the next election saying "We promised a referendum and we delivered it, and you'd have got it sooner if the other parties had not denied you a voice. The people of Scotland have spoken", or words to that effect, and he will appear to be Oh so reasonable.

He's a canny lad is Big 'Eck!

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I think

that it's time to draw to a close a discussion that seems to have descended into a verbal sparring match between two people - both determined to plough on to the bitter end.

I've consulted with the thread's originator, a long-standing forum member for whom I have the utmost respect, and I have decided to bring matters to an end. An interesting discussion, rather spoiled by a bit of personal sniping. Such is life on an internet forum.

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spider9

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Topcat

I think the name of the party is the clue!

Scottish National Party.

So, yes, they do seek independence eventually, but likely to be a good few years yet.

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natdoor

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Besides the windfall of repaid debt to England, the major impact of Scottish independance would be that British students would be entitled to free university education in Scotland. This would probably mean that all Scottish universities would be filled by English students and the Scots would be subsidizing us for a change.

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sunnystaines

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independant scotland would need the EU & IMF to bail it out. take the pressure of England and wales forking out all the time.

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morddwyd

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"the major impact of Scottish independance would be that British students would be entitled to free university education in Scotland"

I think you'd find there'd be more important effects than that, like the relocation of the nuclear deterrent from Faslane!

However, what makes you think that British students, unlike other foreign students, would get a free education in Scotland?

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Kev.Ifty

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So English tax payers would pay the EU to subsidies Scotland instead of just paying directly to Scotland???

Cant Scotland support its self??

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