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How many Lords?


spider9
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Is Cameron the new Blair? He's appointed more Lords than ever before (and looks like he's now going into Libya, too.) adding 117 new peers in the last year - more than any other PM in post-war history.

Why are so many 'Lords' needed, why are 'Lords' needed at all? If ever there was a time for a smaller, elected, upper chamber, surely this is it.

I thought the Government was trying to save our money and cut bureaucracy! Cameron's words are ringing a bit empty at present

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lotvic

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So let me see if I have got this right: the PM can make a list of people and promote them to being a Lord for rest of their life. We, as voters get no say in this list. They cannot be 'sacked' (unless bad behaviour/criminal. Apparently they can overrule the elected Government.

So can someone explain to me what these Lords do and what powers they have? as it does not seem very democratic to me.

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interzone55

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lotvic

A lot of the lords appointed these days are "special advisors", Alan Sugar is a perfect example, he's in the Lords to give a business eye view of the implications of any legislation passing through the house.

How someone who's managed against the odds to build one decent product amongst a pile of steaming crap has managed to get such a position is beyond me

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lotvic

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alan14 A bit like Lord Prescott then?

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spuds

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But remember Lord Prescott didn't want the title or anything to do with lordships, but it was all forced upon him!.

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john 52

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more snouts in the trough

At least the reduction in care for the elderly is going to a good cause

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spider9

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lotvic, spuds

Prescott rose from being a ship's steward to the second highest job in the land - by being elected.
That, to me, gives him some credibility and a reason to be in the Lords.

I may disagree with a lot of what he said, but at the same time he's due some respect.

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spider9

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But Strathclyde wouldn't even define what a full day's work might be!!

I'm sorry exclamation marks upset you, I'm sorry you say you have a simple mind, maybe if you hadn't originally described people's comments as 'rants' in your first posting it would have helped.

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morddwyd

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The fact I expressed surprise that 117 new legilators had been selected, rather than elected, within a twelve month period is hardly a rant, nor was my sugeestion, or opinion, that reform of the Lords is more important than electoral reform

And I did not mention Cameron.

The complaint comes from the Lords themselves, and it is they who are warning the PM that he is elevating too many.

Like you, I was just telling it as I saw it, and by no means ranting

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flycatcher1

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Don't you just love the give and take on this Forum?

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spider9

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flycatcher1

I presume your comment was with a hint of sarcasm? (If not, apologies for what follows!).

What sort of forum would you want? One where each post was just a "Yes, you are so right, I do so agree with you"?

This should be where ideas are put up and discussed (yes, even argued about) to test each other's theories.

What a dull world, if we all thought the same about everything.

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