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How many Lords?


spider9
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Is Cameron the new Blair? He's appointed more Lords than ever before (and looks like he's now going into Libya, too.) adding 117 new peers in the last year - more than any other PM in post-war history.

Why are so many 'Lords' needed, why are 'Lords' needed at all? If ever there was a time for a smaller, elected, upper chamber, surely this is it.

I thought the Government was trying to save our money and cut bureaucracy! Cameron's words are ringing a bit empty at present

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john 52

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Oh dear. You either haven't read the linked story or you haven't read the thread, or both.

This seems to be your stock answer when you cannot put a reasonable argument forward.

It is of little concern to me who created these lords our from what political party they are from my concern is with the extra unnecessary costs involved to the British taxpayer . Maybe sometimes you should try to put your party politics to one side and look at the bigger picture

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spider9

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Like yourself, I have no idea why Cameron would insist on doing this, because:-

a) it makes it harder to get any legislation through, particularly when it's difficult enough being in a coalition.

b) it's obviously going to cost money, and people will consider it more government waste.

c) it's hardly 'We're all in this together' when large daily payments can be claimed by those who very likely don't need extra, anyway, while more vulnerable people in our society are suffering the cuts.

It appears to be a big political banana skin, and our PM walked into it - worrying leadership, I'm afraid.

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spider9

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"£300 a day is not a large daily payment. Not in the sort of world where lawyers, accountants and consultants of all forms are charging that per hour."

But all those lawyers etc have specific definable jobs that they charge for - you accept the Lords don't?

Why have 'comparisons' to be made with such professions, it just means perpetuating higher incomes for those not in need of it. Why not compare with an auxiliary in a hospital - and tell the auxiliary there is no job description, just attend, when you feel like it, and collect your cash (sure he'd jump at it).

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Strawballs

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There is a need for a second chamber yes but the Lords is so outdated in a democratic society

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john 52

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Ah, finally, I see how this works. You post;

This could be David's idea of a job creation scheme**

and then I make it party political by pointing out that it wasn't all the PM's doing.

That is strange I thought Mr Cameron was the prime minister and was responsible for trying to get the economy straight and create jobs so do you suggest I should have said Gordon Browns job creation scheme .

It does not matter Who or What party added more expense to the British public the result is the same and this is under David Cameron's watch .

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spider9

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"Because I'm not interested in making that sort of comparison."

That just about says it all, you only ever consider your own view on any topic as having any importance.

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john 52

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spider9

We've been five pages talking about a minor story.

A lot of people will find this not to be a minor story when many people are losing there jobs for the sake of government cutbacks ,forgoing salary increases and paying increase taxes the very last thing they will think is that it is a minor story .

We do not need the extra burden of more peers to go onto the gravy train .

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spider9

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"We've been five pages talking about a minor story." "Life's too short"

Then why continue? Or is the last word the usual necessity?

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