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The AV referendum


Quickbeam

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"the campaign has thrown up some strange alliances... Meanwhile, the "yes" campaign will see Mr Miliband rub shoulders with Vince Cable, who has found himself at odds with his Conservative coalition colleagues in recent days over immigration policy."

Listening to the street, people still don't get it that the coalition entails talking to and dealing with unlikely partners. The popular press still castigates the LibDems for reneging on their manifesto while blindly ignoring that the Tories have also had to compromise their ideal winner takes all position, because they're not in a position to do so, because they weren't given carte blanche at the election.

Should the AV take the day, how long do you think it'll take to get away from the I expected XXX from my party because they had the largest number of votes? I think it'll take a generation to get used to the change away from the my turn, you're turn, we'll do it our way regardless method that first past the post has given us.

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Graham.

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Proclaimer

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I want to know if the Politicians do use AV to vote for their leaders. The Yes Campaign says they do and the No Campaign says they don't...

Then the No Campaign say's Small Parties, like BNP will get more votes but the Green Party would get less representation, how is that possible for both small parties?

Seems it is as clear as mud on both sides already.

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bremner

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The referendum is a joke.

The Tories have picked AV when what is really needed is a proper debate on how democratic we actually want our parliament to be.

The last Labour government was only voted for by 22% of the electorate yet had a 60+ majority.

AV is nearly as bad as FPTP and will never produce a truly democratic parliament.

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spider9

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Grey Goo "If the Scots vote yes,it may force it upon England whether we want it or not."

I see you are already looking for scapegoats before the vote has been taken. Do you really have such a complex about the Scots that you feel they cause all your problems?

How are you reckoning that such a small part of the UK population will have such a huge effect?

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Joseph Kerr

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I have heard few good and accurate arguments for or against, so I will be voting no at the moment, as I only want one part to win anyway. Furthermore, if those who feel like me simply vote only for one party as I will if we end up with AV, then a party will be able to win without 50% of the vote, thus making a mockery of the change should it happen.

Incidentally, both coalition parties deserve all the stick they get (but they have to work together? Well boohoo) as one is The Nasty Party and the other, largely a party of lilly livered cowards with no integrity, who had the option of leaving the Conservatives to languish in minority government but chose a miserable little compromise instead.

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spuds

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Perhaps off subject, but wait until you all have to vote for an 'elected mayor'. More confusion, party politics and further expense to the public in providing another service that the public might or might not want or even need?.

In London we have had the 'red team' now the 'blue team', and in other places a monkey. Still not sure as to whether this is the British way or the American way. Glad that I do not understand these things, and remain an 'undecided'!.

In my location we have a number of voting decisions to make on May 5th. AV, council and MP all seeking selection. We have yet to see anyone 'putting their case' either on the front door, or mass leaflet circulation. Even the UKIP selected representative seems to have gone to ground. And after all this the public are asked to make essential decisions on who would be the best candidates or voting methods. Seems to me that the interest is no longer there with British politics and its aftermath of 'serious' incidents?.

As I stated, my comments are off subject?.

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Woolwell

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I am concerned that there may be a low turn out for the referendum, especially where there are not local elections taking place at the same time. Those who vote in the referendum may be those interested in change and therefore we may get AV with only a small proportion of the total electorate.

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spider9

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Woolwell

But, as long as I can remember we've always elected governments on small representation numbers, anyway, and if only those ' interested in change' bother to vote, then so be it - they will get their way (and perfectly correct as they bothered to think and vote).

Without compulsory voting that's the way it will always be - you cannot insist that people are interested in something, it's up to them - democratic freedom I think it's known as.

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Woolwell

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spider9

I agree but I hope (I suspect a forlorn hope) that more would vote.

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bremner

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Woolwell

To repeat the content of my earlier post so as to confirm what spider9 has said - only 22% of the electorate voted for Labour in the 2005 GE yet they got a 60+ seat majority.

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