SillBill, I have just downloaded the Irfanview programme!! Yes, this is much better!! I have also uninstalled the windows Essentials 2012 programme and will re-install that again with the photoviewer later, I was told by someone to uninstall the one I have as he thinks I havent got the proper photoviewer installed properly, as he said that if I put a jpeg to my desktop (not sure how I do that, he said DONT use a jpeg photo from "my photos" but where do I find another jpeg from and how do I put it on the desktop?? anyway) he said to make the jpeg photo show on the desktop and right click on it and in "open with" look for "windows photo viewer" (this never came up on my photos when I right clicked) and then click "always open with.....windows photoviewer) and then he said I should get the photo showing in the first page of the viewer with the "fix" option on the top just like in Windows Vista where you can crop a photo immediately, but in the meantime I must say the Irfanview is very good and I can save the cropped version NEXT to the original in the "save as" and then pulling down the menu options to send it back to the right folder and file location it came from, very impressive, thanks LAPTOPDUNCE.