Thanks to all concerned , they say in some circles a little knowlege is dangerous, i know its happened to me, thinking i was doing the right thing taking of a lot of files when i had a problem became my down fall everything went belly up and i had to take it of to the computer shop were i got it from they said you had taken of a kernel file which i thought it was something you ate, anyway i am next time anyting goes wrong i will treat the answers with caution, thanks to all , Nutty norm