Weekend Rugby

  morddwyd 20:17 28 Nov 09

I don't normally contribute much to the sports threads, but I must say that while I have seen some pretty mediocre performances from Wales over the last twenty years today's effort was pretty lack-lustre even by their own greatly reduced standards.

They looked like a bottom of the table fourth division side playing out the last match of the season.

I doubt if many of them have ever heard the word "Hwyl" let alone displayed any.

  Al94 20:21 28 Nov 09

I thought Hwyl meant "Goodbye"

  tullie 20:26 28 Nov 09

I think theres something in the forum rules about using a foreign language.

  Al94 20:33 28 Nov 09

You, found it "Its origins lie in a much older sense of the sail of a ship and hence elliptically one’s course — in life rather than on the sea. Most broadly, in Welsh hwyl refers to a person’s mood. By itself it can also mean “goodbye” as a common short form of hwyl fawr, roughly “all the best”, as can pob hwyl"

  morddwyd 22:54 28 Nov 09

Sorry, the thread was meant to be about rugby; I didn't realise people would get caught up in the detail.

"Hwyl" is one of those literally untranslatable words, meaning something like spirit, fire, joie de vivre, even Welshness.

  morddwyd 22:59 28 Nov 09

"I think theres something in the forum rules about using a foreign language"

The word "hwyl" now appears in many English dictionaries.

I also think you'll find that rules which discriminate against any EU language being used in the EU are not allowed.

  Condom 15:16 01 Dec 09

After the Murrayfield win I'll stop watching for a while and treasure the occasion of a win, a win, a win, unbelieveable.

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