News To-day -200+ Civil servants download Porn

  jack 14:29 26 Aug 04
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The one O'clicock news on TV ran this that over 200 Civil Servants had been disiplined and one fired for downloading pornography, and it went on to say that some millions of pages were involved.
My point is this, being something of an oldie.
In my day in telephone terms, employees did not have'free'acess to outside lines. They had to go through an operator, or dial 9 or even the firms inernal phones were internal only and a payphone was on the wall in the corridor.
how come any desktop machine has its own internet acess, Do not large orgs, have Servers and Terminals?

  mbp 15:00 26 Aug 04

Jack, Times have definitely changed. Haven't you heard of The Human Rights Movements, the Liberal Values of the European Courts, all the Do Gooders, and the lack of spunk in the government, because they might lose votes in the next elevtion?

I also have never heard of the Standards of Ethics or Morality seriously taught in our schools, our Universities, or in Sunday schools (now empty), or over the pulpit! So where do our youngsters learn what is considered morally acceptable and what is not? By trial and error! But today the offenders just go in one door and out of the other in our law courts. The police have given up on catching petty criminals, because it is a waste of time.

Coming back to the point, why are our civil servants so bored, and with so little work to do that they can spend hours browsing the internet and downloading all that rubbish. Where is that Chief Clerk and what is he doing? There are too many free-loaders in our civil service. In the old days it was called Empire building, and that is what is happening all the time. Hence hefty Taxes, plus vat,plus council tax. There isn't a thing you can do that some civil servant will not find a away to tax you. It is a way of controlling the population. Saddam did it in a different way. And all the sheep bleet and accept it. That is what is considered the Skill of Governing. That is why we had the Boston Tea Party, but that is not the democratic way. Have we lost our Way??????

  VoG II 17:16 26 Aug 04

I couldn't do my job without access to the internet from my desk:

General searching

On-line databases

Downloading documents from secure sites

etc, etc.

Not to mention e-mail.

  Forum Editor 19:15 26 Aug 04

from their desks, and why not? The internet is now so firmly embedded in the fabric of our daily lives - both private and commercial - that many companies simply couldn't function without their employees being online. Email runs the world's businesses - I haven't sent a paper invoice to a client for a long time, all my billing is electronic, and before too long all payments will be made that way as well.

The fact that a few civil servants have been downloading porn is no surprise - Civil Service IT systems aren't exactly state-of-the-art in terms of security, and my contacts with certain ministry IT people have always left me feeling distinctly underwhelmed.

  Dorsai 19:27 26 Aug 04

VOG, ok so you need the internet for work. But i fail to see the connection between a civil servant doing his job, and him/her viewing porn.

General

200 people, 18,000 sites (said the sun),

Where do they get the time?

There must be far too many of them in this department, and far too little work needing doing.

I think that the viewing of porn, and the sun said much of it was of a particulaly unsavory nature, of any kind at work would be grounds for instant dismissal, 'Gross Misconduct'.

As they seem to have had nothing better to do, the jobs that they obviously were not doing need not be re-filled.

  Dan the Confused 19:50 26 Aug 04

I haven't read the article, and being in the Sun I already have doubts about it's accuracy, but downloading naughty pictures is hardly grounds for instant dismissal. Surely a warning would suffice for a first time offence?

  Valvegrid 19:53 26 Aug 04

I think its a typical attitude of a lot people to the Internet, thinking their activities are anonymous. This is in spite of all these large organisations, including the one I work for, having policies that monitor Internet usage. Even with all those policies I'm amazed at the naivety of people thinking they can get away with what they do, thinking they won't get caught.

The problem with these people is that if the bad press continues, the Internet privilege at work will be restricted or curtailed which would be a great pity for the majority of sensible users.

As a line manager I get sent a list of telephone usage for our department, maybe its time for line management to start receiving Internet usage as well, the mechanism is already there to carry it out. Yet another task! Oh well!

  jack 20:35 26 Aug 04

Thanx for the enlightenment from to-days workers.
I have to admid my wrok experience with computers was 20 years ago in a mailorder house
I was what 'they' called 'System aynalist'
Not that the work was computing[They 'bought in' the coder] but sorting the the distrubtion in the ware house and trying to figure why so much stuff came back - usually becaue the customer got it wrong, the catalogue was not uptodat, the supplier change ythe spec and no one notice - you get the picture-
All We had then was terminals - screens and keyboards attached to the big grey bocx in the corner--
So my point is much - not all IT work is still word processing, Spreadsheets, database, etc.,
Why would such devices used in that way need to have external internet access or even s CD player?

  Al94 21:37 26 Aug 04

When I was working full time, I had full internet access at my desk. I also had the wit to ensure that I went along with company policy on what was permitted and what wasn't. Any idiot, civil service or otherwise who visits inappropriate sites at his or her workplace deserves all they get. Here is a case in point re the CE of an Irish Bank click here

  watchful 22:31 26 Aug 04

Well said! and in a very humourous way :~)

  lindyloo4 23:00 26 Aug 04

Civil Servants have only recently had access to the Internet at their desk. At it's introduction it was clearly stated that inappropriate sites must not be visited and nothing whatsoever should be downloaded. Browsing must be done in your own time and is monitored.

These idiots will spoil it for all of those using the Internet appropriately and deserve sacking.

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