Logans Run nearer than You may think

  woodchip 21:36 PM 03 Feb 13
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So much for Bill Gates and the Rich.

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  Forum Editor 23:38 PM 03 Feb 13

"So much for Bill Gates and the Rich"

So, you've thought this through yourself have you, and come to the conclusion that the conspiracy theorists - to whom this is the stuff of their dreams - are right? Bill Gates genuinely wants to use the sinister means described in some of the articles in your Google link to sterilise people, and to kill children by vaccination.

I'm astonished that there are people who actually believe the rubbish that's spouted by writers who can't see further than their own warped prejudices.

Populations have historically increased in countries where vaccination has been introduced, because fewer people died in early life from the common killer diseases of childhood. A growing population isn't the whole story however. What really acts to control world populations over a longer timescale is the live birth rate - the number of babies that are born, and the average world birth rate is declining. If the death rate stays broadly steady, and birth rates continue to decline, the world population will fall in the long term, and in Europe it's happening now - UN predictions show the population of Europe falling by over 100 million by 2050 and by over 200 million by 2150.

The problem is that the fall in birth rates is not evenly spread across world regions - it remains high in the developing countries, and apart from cultural reasons the main cause is a high rate of infant mortality - large numbers of children die, so people try to buffer the effect by having more of them.

Vaccination of children works to reduce the birth rate because it relieves mothers from a good deal of the burden of worry that their children will die in infancy. Add improved education and you empower women; they take more control of what happens to them - they want a better standard of living, and left to themselves they will practice contraception, and birth rates will fall.

Bill Gates knows this, but of course there is no lack of people only too ready to see a sinister motive in what he says. He exposed himself to criticism when he made the vaccination remark, and the genie is out of the bottle - the conspiracy people can have a field day.

  Mr Mistoffelees 09:07 AM 04 Feb 13

"Logans Run nearer than You may think"

So that's why I have a red crystal in my hand.

  fourm member 09:11 AM 04 Feb 13

woodchip

Please tell me you were being ironic when you posted this.

I don't know how the anti-vaccination idiots, and their like, get away with flat out lying.

In some ways it is an endictment of our education system (and those of other countries) that people aren't scientifically literate enough to see through the propaganda.

When people turn to movie actors for health advice, something has gone very wrong. The news that Jenny McCarthy will not be at a cancer charity fundraiser is a move in the right direction.

  Quickbeam 09:34 AM 04 Feb 13

When is the movie due to be released?

  Chronos the 2nd 12:07 PM 04 Feb 13

I don't know how the anti-vaccination idiots, and their like, get away with flat out lying.

An odd statement indeed from FM as big business and politicians have been doing it for years.If something is said often enough or loud enough,some people will believe it.

  Forum Editor 12:17 PM 04 Feb 13

"If something is said often enough or loud enough,some people will believe it."

Which is precisely what happens, and has happened, with the rubbish being written about the Bill Gates Foundation vaccination programme.

  fourm member 12:49 PM 04 Feb 13

Chronos the 2nd

There's a big difference between politicians and businesses who tend to 'spin' rather than lying outright and people who claim that vaccination programmes intend to kill people.

If a politician says that since 1996 something has got better he may not be lying but you know you should look at the figures for 1995 because start points are usually chosen to fit the argument.

That's not the same as saying vaccinations are unsafe or that homeopathy can cure cancer and HIV/AIDS.

  Al94 13:12 PM 04 Feb 13

Which is precisely what happens, and has happened, with the rubbish being written about the Bill Gates Foundation vaccination programme.

The Gates Foundation is actually generously supporting The Rotary International Polio Eradication campaign.

http://www.rotary.org/en/ServiceAndFellowship/Polio/RotarysWork/Pages/ridefault.aspx

  Chronos the 2nd 13:16 PM 04 Feb 13

I very much doubt it would take much research to find plenty of instances of 'lying' by governments/politicians or big business. But hey call it 'spin' if it reassures you.

  fourm member 13:46 PM 04 Feb 13

Chronos the 2nd

'But hey call it 'spin' if it reassures you.'

What a stupid comment.

But, you are right you can find evidence of politicians lying and, guess what, they don't get away with it.

Why should the various snake oil salesmen get away with it?

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