EU... In Out & Shake It All About

  Quickbeam 08:31 20 Feb 16
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Apparently we're going to be voting within months and the starters orders are almost on us.

  Quickbeam 08:33 20 Feb 16

And I've rewound myself back to an open undecided mind. From now on I listen to the credible debate. If we get any.

  morddwyd 08:36 20 Feb 16

After all the hype, just a Cameron fudge.

Love her or hate her, Margaret knew how yo get a decent rebate!

  john bunyan 09:05 20 Feb 16

I think Cameron did as well as was possible. The result is, I think, that the sceptics and instinctive "stayers" will not have changed their minds, and the referendum will be a close call, perhaps with the "oldies" more for leaving and the young more for staying.

  BT 09:13 20 Feb 16

Lets hope the turnout will be high otherwise we will have a decision based on a minority of the people in the country whichever way it goes. On recent General election turnouts 51% either way would represent around 30/35% of the population having the final say.

  RV510 09:59 20 Feb 16

I believe that we will be neither better or worse off whichever way the vote goes, Thatcher certainly didn't know how to get a decent rebate as she promised the EU that the UK would not claim back anywhere near what was being contributed, we only get back a proportion of what we pay in. If we vote out we may be better off in terms of not making as much, if any, financial contributions to the EU and having to give immigrants benefits hand-outs but on the other hand it could seriously damage our economy with respect to export to EU countries. It's far more complicated but there are pretty much equal argument for and against staying in so I would not be surprised if the vote will be very close. If we stay in the biggest thing we must do is to retain the Pound and not join the Euro, that would be financially fatal.

  HondaMan 10:34 20 Feb 16

Out, Out, Out. We are an island, pull up the draw bridge, blow up the tunnel and sail away. We can do without the EU and its bureaucracy, its highly inflated opinion of its own importance and rules made without reference to anyone

  Quickbeam 10:40 20 Feb 16

Well I suppose that must be the Little Britain argument!

  john bunyan 10:43 20 Feb 16

Out, Out, Out. We are an island, pull up the draw bridge, blow up the tunnel and sail away

Are you being serious, or was that irony?

This decision deserves a lot of thought and both sides have powerful points to make.

  spider9 11:27 20 Feb 16

Fortunately many people will be yawning long before the referendum date, as, let's face it, very few people actually understand the workings of the EU. Thus they will either not bother voting or (more likely) just accept the situation we have and vote to stay.

I noticed Cameron was already littering his 'victory speeches' with constant reference to 'safety', 'security', 'stability' - the clever use of triggers to scare people into staying.

It will work, however, thank goodness!!

  mbc 11:45 20 Feb 16

In the Nigel Farage thread last year, I mentioned that I was, in a small way, familiar with some of the workings of the EU, as part of my duties in my employment with a LA was as European Officer. This unfortunate experience turned me against the EU for life. I was poo-poo'd by a certain member as trying to put myself above others, which was definitely not the case, I was merely expressing that my opinion was affected by my experience. This has not changed. Out, I say.

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