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Before I continue I will confirm that I have an interest here, as I sell CCTV to large integrators who install the cameras in schools, stadia and town centres. As far as I'm aware the school in linked story is not one that a customer of mine has dealt with.
The primary school in the story has installed a camera in "communal" area of the toilets. CCTV cameras can be masked electronically so that any areas that are not to be monitored can be blanked out at the camera end, the video fed to the recorder will be permanently blanked out
Pupils in this school have been subject to bullying in the toilets, as they have since Adam was a lad. The only way to stop this is to post a bouncer in the toilets. A way to cut down on the bullying, and to catch culprits is to place cameras in the toilet area.
What's your feeling on this, and CCTV in schools in general, which is a massive market at the moment. New build schools can have up to 200 cameras installed in some areas of the country.
As a parent I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it, and agree with it for the same reasons as sunnystaines.
Thats what education is all about - get them used to a society where your on camera 24/7.
We have CCTV in the workplace toilets and elsewhere to uncover vandalism,so much for "education". The issue here,i feel,is not about the cameras but whether or not the footage is acceptable and leads to an appropriate punishment.Kids these days are more than aware of their "human rights". To a large degree,libertarians excepted we have accepted the spread of this technology and its usage, though debatable in some contexts, has proved useful.
Cameras are being fitted in classrooms of many of the new schools we're dealing with.
They're referred to as behavioural cameras, and are used to monitor the behaviour of pupils, not the quality of the teaching. These cameras usually, but not always, include audio recording, but on some of the setups I've worked on the audio is only activated if it reaches a certain volume, as if voices are being raised, or there's a fight breaking out.
It's sad when I think back to my school days that we need in class CCTV now. A sharp backhand around the head as the teacher walked by and carried on speaking without batting an eyelid to the nano distraction quickly put us in our place.
How long before we follow the Americans with armed security in schools?
I like the way this as been referred to the police. I also wonder if anyone objects to cameras that are installed in police cells for the benefit of the occupants?.
And as for the American way of armed security and body checks, then as stated, the old ways and days when the teachers had control have long gone, in favour of political correctness.
We talk about it being a jungle out there, and perhaps we should act in favour of the jungle, by the parents being in control of their kids, instead of putting the responsibility on others?.
Perhaps going further. Our local council had a particular problem with some public toilets and the activities that were going on there. There was talk of using 24 hour monitored cctv in the toilet blocks plus the surrounding area. This was voted out " because it would offend people and effect their human rights". The toilet blocks were closed, and have since been sold for alternative purposes. Now I wonder whose rights have been offended there, certainly not the law abiding publics?.
no corporal punish in schools also, a lot of heads for reasons unknown have a paranoid fear about expelling bad kids.
a lot of heads for reasons unknown have a paranoid fear about expelling bad kids.
That could be down to the backlash caused by the common practice of schools expelling poorly performing kids to increase their average test results. The school would collect their annual fee from the education authority for educating the kid, then expel them just before the exams.
Because of the controversy this caused schools now have a tough job expelling disruptive pupils...
Around here,its very hard to get everyone to agree to a child being excluded (correct term for expelled)and if the child does get excluded,then there are several separate establishents for excluded children to continue their education.I have no idea of what is different about the environment within these separate establishments that enables a disruptive child to learn but it must work as often my daughter will report that child x who'd been excluded was back at school today.
When I was at school,I was made to sit in the library all day & if I wanted the syllabus being taught that day,I had to collect it from the teacher at the start of the lesson and complete it alone in the library.Needless to say,I didn't bother and would read books about subjects that interested me until it was time to return home.If I skipped school my parents received a letter threatening legal action if I didn't attend & the thought of upsetting my parents was sufficient threat to make me resume attending.I had this routine for my last three years of schooling until I was officially/legally possible to be expelled.From what alan14 says,I was expelled for this reason,not for being a disruptive child(I used to catch-up on my sleep during lessons as I had a very early morning milk round,so likely the only disruption I'd cause would be from snoring)
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