Cameron caves in

  Algerian peter ™ 22:06 13 May 13

Conservatives to publish draft bill on an EU referendum tomorrow.

Is it to much pressure from back benches, the threat from UKIP or the old stalwarts of Maggies government expressing the opinion of getting out of Europe.

  Nontek 23:29 13 May 13

Running scared of peoples reaction to UKIP.

  mole1944 06:15 14 May 13

I hate to be a cynical, but only when we get a date to vote will it happen. All this smoke and mirrors is just so much spouted rubbish, a date should be set and then we can believe what they say and at the moment they're running scared of UKIP and will do anything to string us along.

  Quickbeam 06:38 14 May 13

Doubly cynical even...

I think the roller coaster is just cresting the heights.

  Mr Mistoffelees 08:15 14 May 13

The Tories are lurching to the right in response to UKIP. UKIP voters will have a lot to answer for.

  Quickbeam 08:22 14 May 13

Will there be a run on brown shirts in the shops next?

  fourm member 08:34 14 May 13

The thread title is wrong. It should be 'Cameron Keeps Promise'.

On 23rd January 2013 the PM said 'Legislation will be drafted before the next election'.

Given the hysteria Europe causes, whenever that legislation was published would have caused a furore.

People need to get beyond the tosh about caving in to UKIP and look at what's really behind this.

With the ballot for Private Members' Bills this week, publishing the draft helps any private member who wishes to adopt the wording the Tories would use if they could get a bill through.

If a Private Member does go for the EU referendum bill it will fail. That means Cameron can point at the LibDems and show what a bad idea coalition is. The 2015 election campaign has already started so the Tories need to find ways to rubbish the LibDems whilst staying in government with them.

I'm sure Cameron would rather there wasn't an EU problem but, since there is, he's making the best of it. His best isn't that good, unfortunately.

But there are also problems for Miliband. Labour wants to say the EU referendum is a distraction and attention should be on the economy and other domestic issues but focussing on that just reveals how poor Miliband is.

  johndrew 09:09 14 May 13

We have been promised a referendum on Europe for quite a while now. Blair made one with caveats that he then used (wrongly in my opinion) to wriggle out of allowing the public to voice their opinion and Cameron has made a similar promise with that magic word "if" within it.

It must be time the public are permitted to express their collective opinion and if this causes UKIP to be elected for the purpose so be it. After all the word "democratic" is supposed to be supported by all the main political parties in the UK.

  fourm member 09:23 14 May 13


We're a representative democracy and, as such, plebiscites should have no role. Having a referendum on any issue is wrong.

  spider9 09:23 14 May 13


"After all the word "democratic" is supposed to be supported by all the main political parties in the UK."

The UK has long been a 'Parliamentary' Democracy, and seems to have served us reasonably well over the years.

If we now want to have a different kind of democracy, rule by referenda, for example, then that is what should be being demanded at the ballot box - personally the thought of every government decision being decided by a referendum fills me with horror!

  Quickbeam 09:36 14 May 13

"Having a referendum on any issue is wrong"

Every now and then an issue becomes just too controversial to be dealt with in the normal democratic way. Public opinion looks to be agreeing that this is one of them.

This thread is now locked and can not be replied to.

Nintendo Switch review: Hands on with the intuitive modular console and its disappointing games…

1995-2015: How technology has changed the world in 20 years

Here's what should be coming to Adobe Project Felix in 2017

Best iMovie for Mac tips 2017 | How to edit video with iMovie: 26 brilliant video editing tricks…