Another Disability Breakthrough?

  morddwyd 10:18 10 Dec 11
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You can no longer lose your car licence for being over the limit on a mobility scooter

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Fife/article/19557/drink-driving-conviction-quashed-after-judges-rule-legislation-does-not-apply-to-mobility-scooters.html

I have always thought it a bit unfair that someone who happens to hold a driving licence is punished more severely than someone who doesn't.

On the other hand, if it is a Class 3 scooter (lights, indicators, two speed) which has a log book and registration mark it is a vehicle, and you are a danger to others.

  wiz-king 11:15 10 Dec 11

Bach in the 'good' old days you could ride your horse home while drunk and not be charged with drunken riding but could still be done for 'reckless riding'. There are all ways round the law - for both sides.

  spuds 12:03 10 Dec 11

Possibly off subject, but I have always considered that anyone using a mobility scooter, should have to have something like a 'Proficiency Test' before being allowed in public.

Around my neck of the woods, there is an increase of people buying and using these items, and in the main, most are considerate to other members of the public. But there is still the odd case, when you think that the person using the mobility scooter, should not be using it, due to their dangerous manner, not only to others but themselves.

  morddwyd 19:50 10 Dec 11

But you could say the same about bicycles, which go a lot faster!

  Strawballs 21:12 10 Dec 11

Bicycles do not weigh anywhere near as much as a mobility scooter and wouldn't do any where near as much damage sooner or later a child will get killed in a pedestrian area then maybee something will be done about them.

  OTT_B 21:32 10 Dec 11

Strawballs

It's not a matter of only weight - there's speed to take into account.

Let's say a mobility scooter weighs 86kg, with a 133kg user and is travelling at 8mph (example) That gives it a total kinetic energy of 3580 joules.

A mountain bike, weighing 15kg ridden by a 133kg user travelling at 20mph, has 5900 joules of kinetic energy - well in excess of 60% more energy than the heavier mobility but slower moving scooter.

The way in which energy would be dissipated in a crash is a different matter though. The mobility scooter would absorb almost none of the energy, leaving it all to the unfortunate pedestrian to take in. A cycle collision, most likely I would think, would split the energy between the bike, the rider and the pedestrian.

Under the worst case scenario, a bike collision would do far, far more harm than a mobility scooter.

  spuds 23:34 10 Dec 11

"Under the worst case scenario, a bike collision would do far, far more harm than a mobility scooter."

I would consider that a manually driven bike, hitting and and going over someone, would result in less damage, than a laden motor driven scooter with a open full speed throttle. There would be a tendency to drag someone underneath or along with the vehicle. Plus the area mass on impact would be more. Which seems to have been suggested in OTT_B post, in a confusing way, but I could be wrong though!.

  spuds 23:39 10 Dec 11

Regarding bicycles. The government is constantly trying to find ways for increasing tax, so perhaps the should make cyclist's have third party insurance and register bicycles, like they do in some other countries?.

  Strawballs 23:51 10 Dec 11

OTT_B

When you get one of those things moving at 8mph because the idiots that fly through a crowded street without using the 4mph switch believe me they will kill a child. I don't believe many uses have actually read the part of the highway code that's applicable to them.

For those that have and act accordingly I have no problem with at all. I also have a problem with cyclist that ride through the same precincts.

  carver 11:54 11 Dec 11

I think that for once common sense has ruled, this is a mobility scooter we are talking about, some thing designed for some one who can't walk very far, what do you want to do stop him from having a drink and socialising with friends.

As for dragging some one under the wheels, this is a scooter with wheels that can't even mount a 4" curb, even a child couldn't be dragged under it's wheels.

I can just see the head lines " scooter mows down pedestrian at 4 mph then spends next 30 minutes trying to run over him" please its a scooter with a ground clearance of about 6".

Next thing you will be wanting some one in a wheel chair breathalysed, well it has got 4 wheels and I've seen them going quite fast.

  carver 11:59 11 Dec 11

Sorry forgot to mention that a bike will do a lot more harm than a scooter, it is not about weight but a simple fact, the point of contact is considerably smaller with a bike, you have all the inertia concentrated into a very small area.

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