The Americans might decide to send Hamza back

  Bing.alau 22:52 PM 16 Oct 12
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How are the Americans going to re-act to this extradition palaver? It seems one of the people we sent there last week, also had an illness which should have prevented his extradition. But he was sent. Maybe they will send him back!

Can we prevent them sending Hamza back if they decide to do so in an act of extreme petulance.

I can't understand why the Yanks haven't offered Gary a damn good job working for them hacking in to other people's/countries' computers.

  LastChip 23:40 PM 16 Oct 12

From the Americans perspective, this was all about the embarrassment caused, not so much about the hacking.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending what this chap is accused of doing, but we must not loose site of their military systems that by all accounts were wide open. Some allegedly, didn't even have any passwords and others with the defaults left in place.

Let's face it, if he'd been a serious hacker, there are may ways he could have used to cover his tracks that would have made it extremely difficult to track him down, as is the case with many modern hackers today.

If that was the standard (at the time) of their systems, they should be very happy he found the open doors, and exposed serious security flaws. At least once you know about it, you can attempt to solve the problem.

There should have been some pretty red faces amongst the military and more than a few investigations into their level of competence - or incompetence depending on your viewpoint.

The "one way" extradition treaty, was never going to go down well in the UK. It's perceived as unfair and very one-sided, but I doubt it will lead to the return of someone extradited that they've already got their hands on.

  morddwyd 07:02 AM 17 Oct 12

"Can we prevent them sending Hamza back if they decide to do so in an act of extreme petulance."

Of course not.

He's a British citizen and any and every country can deport undesirables back to their native land.

  kad60 07:06 AM 17 Oct 12

"and any and every country can deport undesirables back to their native land"

numerous cases in this country proves otherwise.

  morddwyd 08:34 AM 17 Oct 12

Name some so that we can discuss them.

  Aitchbee 14:09 PM 17 Oct 12

morddwyd said:-

'He's a British citizen and any and every country can deport undesirables back to their native land.'

The word undesirables is not a good word to use in this context ... ie. lawful extradition !

Personally, I would like/desire that all (non-British) Eastern European citizens who are here [in Glasgow] under 'asylum seeker' guise, be deported [with some money]back to their homelands.

These people from Eastern Europe are all undesirables, as far as I'm concerned...but they're here to stay.

I hope Mr Salmond's new vision for Scotland addresses this problem soon.

  Forum Editor 14:21 PM 17 Oct 12

Aitchbee

"These people from Eastern Europe are all undesirables, as far as I'm concerned"

Please look up the meaning of the word xenophobia, and stop making sweeping remarks like the one above.

  Aitchbee 14:35 PM 17 Oct 12

FE, I am a 'xenophobe',and I think I might be an 'undesirable' too ... Catch 22 ?

  Forum Editor 14:52 PM 17 Oct 12

Aitchbee

It's not for me to decide whether or not you are an undesirable, but it is for me to decide that we can't allow you to give full rein to your xenophobia here.

I'm sure I can rely on your cooperation in that respect.

  Aitchbee 15:13 PM 17 Oct 12

100%, FE. I always abide by the rules.

  johndrew 15:17 PM 17 Oct 12
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Hamza acquired British citizenship and it should be possible to strip this from him and return him to that of his birth country; Egypt.

For my money, if the USA wish to return him, the British Government should take this action as a matter of urgency to permit his return to Egypt as one of their citizens. Given the Egyptian links to Jordan it would then be possible for him to be transported there for the trial that awaits him without any interference from the European courts!!

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