right, bit of movement.
i pressed factory reset on both boxes , replugged them into sockets and started again.
wireless signal is excellent.
i can now get the internet using this network on my phone!
HOWEVER it is still 'open' and not secure.
i understand that i have to enter the ip address in my browser and alter settings there? does that sound right?
however, my phone tells me what the ip is, but this receives no response from the browser.
i tried ipconfig /all to discover ip address but nothing responds.
when i ping addresses howver, they do reply with 100% of packets.
out of interest i had the login in screen and password screen working yesterday when i pinged something, but i didn't know what to do at that time.