Help buying top-end Gaming PC

  got2nesa 05:33 23 Nov 08
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Is this a top-end gaming pc, for the price?

I plan to play mainly MMO's and FPS...

WoW and WAR... CoD... etc...

I need a prebuilt because I don't want to risk building myself or having someone else build it only to have it break... I like having security and warranty...

I also need the full package, I can't play without a mouse or keyboard or monitor, so I don't like these £2,000 machines which don't include anything but a tower.

If anyone thinks this rig is overpriced please let me know, also point me to any others in a similar price-range if you think they're better...

Thanks a lot

  got2nesa 05:35 23 Nov 08

Apparently it doesn't let me post url's?

click here

Here's the specs:

Title: ""Ultima OC Complete 9800GT" Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.40GHz @ QX6950+ 3.00GHz+ Quad Core DDR2 Complete System" from overclockers

"If you are looking for the ultimate INTEL box then look no further than the Ultima OC 8800 GT 512MB Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core overclocked beyond yet to be released QX6950 clock speeds. Supplied as a complete kit this system has the performance to rival ones costing nearly twice the price due to OcUK's expert engineers pre-overclocking this system to safe and reliable settings for a huge performance boost. This system packs enough power to play the latest games at maximum details including AA/AF upto resolutions of 2560x1600 without breaking a sweat including latest DX10 titles such as Bioshock, Crysis and Unreal games. This system comes complete with Saitek Eclipse 2 Gaming Keyboard, Razer Krait Gaming mouse, Logitech 2.1 Speaker System and Samsung 22" 2ms DVI LCD Monitor. Supplied pre-built it has an impressive specification to say the least :-

- Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 GO 2.40GHz Quad Core CPU Overclocked too a minimum of 3.00GHz and beyond.
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Intel approved cooler
- Abit IP35 Pro XE Intel P35 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
- Award winning Corsair 2GB PC2-6400 CAS4 (2x1GB) Dual Channel Kit (Overclocked at 850MHz+) (Note when upgrading to 4GB overclock drops to 3.00GHz on CPU)
- 500GB Seagate 32MB Cache SATA-2 Hard Drive
- NVIDIA 9800 GT 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) DirectX 10 Graphics Card
- Pioneer DVR-216DBK 20x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
- OCZ 600W Next Generation Power Supply
- Logitech S220 2.1 Speaker System - Black
- Samsung SM-226BW 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black
- Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Gaming Keyboard - Blue/Red/Purple
- Razer Krait 1600dpi Professional Gaming Mouse
- 1yr Onsite Collect & Return Warranty (Can collect from any address (UK Mainland ONLY) and same day collection possible if requested before 11am)"

How is this for £992 ????

Thanks

  got2nesa 06:44 23 Nov 08

Or... for £2254... from Cougar Systems:

"Gamers Core 2 Duo 8600 Series (Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad QX9650 3.0 Ghz 12Mb Cach, 4Gb Corsair Memory DDR2 800 - 4 x 1GB, 750GB SATA Hard Drive, , Coolermaster 590, Tagan 1100w U33 - Force II Series - Dual Fan, GeForce GTX 280 1024MB GDDR3, QCE - Asus P5N-D - 1333FSB-DDR2 800x4 SLI-nForce 750i, DVD+/- RW - 20X (pioneer 115D), No Floppy Disk Drive, 22 inch (DVI) AMW TFT 5ms widescreen X2210WDS, Microsoft multimedia keyboard & mouse, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 4 PCI 7.1, Trust SP-3850 Speakers, Epson DX4050 All-In-One Printer, Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Inc SP2, MS Office 2007 Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Publisher, Access, Outlook no media, , 13 Month Warranty, Free Carriage)"

+ Wireless Network Adapter
+ Wireless Router ADSL
+ 80mm Case Fan

This is very very expensive but it seems to be packed with just about the best deal... Is it way overpriced? What do you guys/girls think?

Which of the two that I posted is better, if any, or do you have a better deal somewhere? Is this Cougar PC way too powerful and unnecessary? Is it just a complete waste of £2000?

Thanks a lot

  rustyboy 08:36 23 Nov 08

I would go for neither of those.
You do not need to spend £2000.00 on a PC to run modern games.
WoW doesnt require a high end PC to run it.
War, AoC and LoTRO do require a higher spec but still not £2000.00.
The OC system is ok but the GPU is only mid range and will not allow you to run War at anywhere near max settings. Also why go for an oc'd 2.4 ghz processor when u can get higher clocked CPU's for not alot more.
Personally i'd take a look at these sites and design one for yourself.
click here
click here
click here
They are all good sites and all make good machines to order.
When designing your machine I'd consider the following points.
CPU - Most, if not all current high end games do not make use of quad core machines. Games like WAR will make use of dual cores so at present I would buy a fast dual core based machine with a motherboard that will later allow you to upgrade to a quad core in a few years time.
GPU - I would not go for anything less than a 9800GTX+ or the equivalent ATI HD 4870. The GTX 280 is a very good card but very expensive at present. There is no need to look at SLI or XFIRE at present as most games are not optimised for it.
Just make sure your motherboard is SLI capable and you can then upgrade in the future by adding another card the same as the one you already have.
OP - Ive been using Vista 64bit for some months now and so far ive had no issues with it unless trying to run some of my really old games on it. Ive played WoW, War, LoTRo and AoC using it and they have all run fine. The biggest plus with a 64 bit system is the way you can go above the 4gig ram limit if you wish. A 32 bit system will not allow you to use for gig so the best u can usually get out of it would be 3 gig if you are lucky.

Memory - Corsair. Ive always used corsair and have never found a need to change from them. For me they have been 100% reliable. Don't go for less than the DDR2 800's. DDR3 ram is expensive and not nessessary at this point in time.

PSU - again corsair. Their PSU's have been 100% reliable for me. Go for at least the 750W model though if your budget runs to it consider the 1000W. That may seem ott at present but if in the future you decide to SLI two GTX 280 1gb GPU's and a larger OC'd quad core processor then you will find your power use curve going right up.

Case - Yes its nice to have all the fancy neon lights that may it look pretty but what you sould be interested in is how much room do you have? Some of the cards u'll use are huge and will need plenty of room so that you get a decent airflow within once they are installed. I always look for a case with a side fan and a rear fan that also has the capability of taking one or two fans in the from of the case as well. Your PSU, CPU will come with their own fans and most GPU's do as well. So between that lot your cooling should be fine.

If you've any other questions feel free to ask.

Oh and one last thing. This is my current set up. I like to play around and change bits hence my set up isnt what is needed its just what i like. I prefer AMD though it is recognised that the intel chips are better for gamers currently.

AMD Phenom 9950 Quad core OC 2.9Ghz
8gig Corsair XMS2 PC2-8500 1066MHz
2 x BFG NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+ OC 512MB PCIe 2.0
CoolerMaster Hyper Z600 CPU cooler - Corsair 1000W PSU
Gigabyte M750SLI-DS4 Motherboard - Antec Nine Hundred Case

  got2nesa 21:44 23 Nov 08
  got2nesa 22:07 23 Nov 08

After looking at the pcspecialist website you suggested to me, rustyboy... I built the following for £1878 including VAT...

Tell me what you think of the motherboard? Does everything look good? Is it too much? Too expensive? I'm not sure which CPU and Mobo to select, I think they're rather limited, and also the GHz is slightly low I think, under 3ghz... Is that okay? I know you said that Quad core isn't necessary at the moment, but if I get it, it can't do any harm, right? It will run the games just as good as a dual? Thanks a lot for the help rusty.

Processor (CPU)
AMD PHENOM™ X4 9950 (2.6GHz) 4 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2+)

Memory (RAM)
8GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (4x2GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® M3N72-D: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA II, 2 x PCI-Ex, 2 x PCI

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit Edition + SP1, CD (£69)

USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1000GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 32MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk
NONE

RAID (HDD 1 & 2)
NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive
6x BLU-RAY ROM & HD-DVD ROM Drive, 16x DVD ±R/±RW (£69)

2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE

Graphics Card
1024MB GEFORCE GTX280 PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

2nd Graphics Card
NONE

3rd Graphics Card
NONE

Sound Card
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Xtreme Audio 7.1 (£28)

Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

Network Facilities
WIRELESS 54Mbps NETWORK CARD & 54Mbps ADSL ROUTER (£31)

Floppy Disk Drive
NONE

Memory Card Reader
NONE

Case
CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000 Silver Silent Case

Power Supply & Case Cooling
900W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (Special Offer: £109)

Processor Cooling
ASUS SILENT KNIGHT II PURE COPPER ULTRA COOLER (£39)

Firewire & Video Editing
NONE

TV Card
NONE

Monitor
LG W2252TQ 22 inch Wide: HDCP/DVI/2MS/1680 x1050 (£179)

2nd Monitor
NONE

DVI Cable
1 x 2 Metre DVI Cable (£5)

Keyboard & Mouse
Logitech® Deluxe 660 Cordless Keyboard & Optical Mouse(Black) (£16)

Mouse
Logitech® G5 2007 Edition Corded Laser Gaming Mouse (£35)

Speakers
LOGITECH Z-2300 2.1 Extreme THX®-certified 2.1 performance (£89)

Printer
HP PHOTOSMART C4280 ALL-IN-ONE SERIES + USB CABLE (£49)

Surge Protection
Belkin 4 Socket 2M Surge Protector with £25,000 Protection! (£8)

Webcams
NONE

Headsets (VOIP)
Logitech® Digital Precision PC Gaming Headset (£25)

Anti-Virus
NONE

Office Software
Microsoft® Office® 2007 Home & Student (3 Licence) (£69) (Special)

  got2nesa 22:26 23 Nov 08

You're right about the GTX 280 being expensive...

If I exchange it for the "1024MB GEFORCE 9800GT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT", then the price drops by over £200...

I'm not worried about spending £1600 on this computer so long as it is going to last me for many years. I want to make sure I have a good tower and cooling system, good graphics and processor, etc... so that it doesn't blow up... and also so that it runs the games smoothly...

Another thing for me is the Network Adapter... I don't know if I'll be able to run the internet without wireless because the BT Home Hub is in my living room, and the computer will go in my room... I currently use a laptop... Is it easy to have something installed in my room so I can connect directly to my internet? Does the network card matter? will that affect my ping/upload speeds, etc... So I can play without lag?

Thanks again.

  rustyboy 22:54 23 Nov 08

Im sorry got2nesa but i dont give out my email. Ive only got the one and i use it for everything personal and business hence i try to keep it limited.
As for the spec you've put up. That will run anything you can throw at it.
There are a couple of things you can change that will save you money.
1.Drop the ram from 8gb to 4gb. Even with 64bit vista unless you are doing a huge amount of graphical design or similar you will not need it.
2. Drop the 1tb HDD and put in two smaller drives.
Maybe a 160gb drive as your boot drive to have windows on and a 640gb second driver to run your games and itunes etc from. It'll make things easier in the long run for formating and reloading.
Change the case for a slightly less expensive one for example the coolmaster 831 stacker. And drop the silent knightII cooler in favour of super quiet 22. Unless you are going to be doing some fairly extreme overclocking you just wont need them.
What you are looking at purchasing is a fairly extreme piece of equipment. And i should stress that as far as gaming goes the Intel cpu's are better than the AMD ones at present so u may want to look at changing that.

When ive got a little more time (probably tommorrow) ill sit down and spec a PC that will run WAR LoTRo etc at max settings and put it on this thread for you. Im sure we can do it for alot less than £1800 whilst still making it fairly future proof for up and coming games.

  got2nesa 23:02 23 Nov 08

Okay, thanks a lot. If you'll make sure the specs will be future proof as you mentioned, but also that the power suppply, cooling/case/fans, etc all will keep it running smooth and quietly... I don't want a beast if it will just explode on me (at all... hopefully I can keep the same computer for a long time)...

Thanks a lot

  got2nesa 23:19 23 Nov 08

The DDR3 SLI based system only has one motherboard option and it has only one PCI slot... it won't let me have both a X-Fi sound card and a wireless network... lol

  got2nesa 02:13 24 Nov 08

From overclockers, I built this:

Antec Nine Hundred Gaming Case
Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 2.66GHz (1066FSB)
OcUK Expert Overclocking
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler
Asus Rampage Intel X48 DDR2 Motherboard
Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) 1066MHz Memory
ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 500GB SATA II
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 500GB SATA II
Pioneer 20x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter
Corsair TX 750W Power Supply
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit
Netgear 300Mbps Wireless Adapter
Logitech G15 Gaming Mouse
Samsung SM-2253BW Aqua 22
Logitech 2.1 Speakers
Sennheiser PC350 Pro-Gaming Headset
Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student 2007 (3 User)


It's still £1616

They're sold out of keyboards lol

I think the processor on this one is bad for the price... The pcspecialist spec I think is better... I heard that ATI's cards beat NVidias on the benchmarks... so far I can't find out how I can spend wisely and be prepared for the future of gaming with these rigs, considering their cost and I hear that the cost-performance ratio on them is bad...

Thanks against rusty, look forward to seeing what you put together.

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