Own A Mac?

  powerless 20:55 29 Dec 04

I Will if this comes true click here

  Charence 21:48 29 Dec 04

$499=£260, not bad...but how does the speed of 1.25GHz on a G4 CPU compare to an Intel P4(if at all)?


  Taran 21:56 29 Dec 04

The new iMac G5 can be bought for around £1000 - about all you need to do is add extra memory, since the supplied 256mb is an absolute bare minumum and Macs, even more than PCs, love memory. They work completely differently to PCs and can handle more or less as much RAM as you want to throw at them. In fact, everyone I ever spoke to who was unimpressed with the speed of a Mac was still working with the standard 256. Shoving an extra 512 module in provides a massive performance increase, far greater than on any PC.

To put that into perspective, the above mentioned £1000 buys you a 17 inch TFT with an Apple Mac built into it. There isn't a separate box anywhere. It has an 80GB hard drive, a DVD-R/CDRW combo drive, superb software bundle, and if you opt for Bluetooth you get to use a wireless keyboard and mouse, so the only thing sitting on your desk with a power cord is the TFT screen and its power cord is hidden behind it.

If I sound enthusiastic that's because I am. I have one sitting right next to me and it's lovely (Christmas present from the present Mrs Taran).

Rather than a bare bones G4 Mac without a monitor, one of the old spec and still available G4 eMacs is possibly worth looking at. It may only feature a 32mb graphics card (hardwired to the motherboard so you can't upgrade it) but for between £550 and £690 you do get an all in one unit based on a very nice 17 inch flat screen CRT monitor. The software bundle is impressive, but they are noisy when their fans kick in and, by comparison to the current spec Macs, slow.

I love my Macs - I cut my teeth on Quark on a Mac years ago. A very close friend specialises in wedding videos and what he can do with three Macs (G3 eMac, G4 iMac and a new G5 PowerMac) is absolutely breathtaking. We tested some PCs recently using the same software applications and for final rendering, especially where lots of scene transitions and effects have been used, the output took, in some cases, almost three times as long as on the Macs.

Anyway, it's interesting to see a bare bones system bounced around. I'll watch and see where we get with it - it may just remain a US offer...

  Taran 21:59 29 Dec 04

You can't do a clock speed comparison.

A Mac and PC work totally differently, so forget all the rules that might normally apply because they don't - the two platforms are almost totally incomparable.

A 1.25GHz G4 would probably give you a very pleasant surprise, if coupled with a decent amount of memory.

I doubt you'll find too many P4 systems available for that sort of money either.

  powerless 22:14 29 Dec 04

What you want to do with a MAC does it not?

For me just owning one would be the first thing. I don't have a MAC not because I couldn't afford one but because I wouldn't have a use for it to justify the cost as well as owning a PC.

So if this is ture and available in UK [nice point Taran] it'll be just right.

  Charence 22:30 29 Dec 04

I don't really care what my computer looks like, as long as it does its job well and quickly and isn't too expensive.

Maybe this question is better. "How would a bottom of range eMac compare with a PC which has 2.5GHz P4, 512 DDR RAM, Firewire Port for video editing?"

The reason I ask this because I assumed that the spec of my PC was more than adequate to transfer home videos from my camcorder to PC without any problems. This unfortunately is not the case and the resulting video occasionally pauses during playback. Would this happen on an 1GHz G4 eMac? click here

Also, is MS Visual Basic compatible with a Mac?


  Forum Editor 23:20 29 Dec 04

I spent a happy hour touring the new Apple shop in Oxford Street. Style simply oozed from everything in the place - nobody designs computers like Apple, and if they could get the price of a G5 PowerMac down to about £1000 they would have the world beating a path to their stylish doors.

I took a dual 2.5Ghz G5 Powermac for a test drive and it took my breath away - I wonder what happened to the letter I sent to Santa.

  powerless 23:39 29 Dec 04

Probably took the powermac for himself.

  Taran 00:51 30 Dec 04

I have one system here at home now that runs a P4 2.66GHz with 512MB of memory. It does have a Radeon 128mb graphics card, which could make all the difference, but it will play with video files and editing/manipulating them all day without incident.

What is interesting to note here is that lower powered-seeming Macs (in MHz terms) with slower graphics cards can throw video files around like they are going out of fashion. Refer back to my comments about my wedding video friend. Our comparative results between PCs and his Macs, although not necessarily conclusive, does go to show that there are very real performance differences between the platforms and trying to measure hardware v hardware is imossible. There's far more to it than that, including the fact that the underlying hardware acts in a totally different manner on a Mac.

My new iMac can do things in no time that my supposedly far more powerful PCs take longer to do. However, on balance, you could say the same in reverse depending on the circumstances, the data type and the program you are working in.

I had a very large and complex Excel spreadsheet slow to a crawl some time ago on a Mac, while on a PC it scooted along just fine. Querying a large FileMaker database proved a bit of a challenge on my new mac, compared to running the same queries on the same database from my Athlon 64 3400+. Same tasks, different results.

Forum Editor's comments regarding the dual processor G5 Mac are right on the money though. For serious Photoshop work and any video or image editing I'd put it to you that you can't find a better machine for less than double or even triple the money. You'd be going into Armari workstation territory, where custom built graphics cards and vast hardware specifications (and price tags to match) rule the roost, to be able to touch the G5.

However, to bring this back into perspective, a G4, although capable, is not the be-all-and-end-all of computers, but at the price bandied around in that article linked to by Powerless, it does represent very good value for money indeed and will bring the Mac an even greater userbase.

I certainly wouldn't be using Macs if they were in any way inferior to a PC, or if they interfered with or interrupted my workflow and output.

As their slogan says, "Think different..."

  Forum Editor 01:27 30 Dec 04

owns and runs a leading Multi-media/video production company, and his edit suite is populated by a series of G4 PowerMacs. They have a row of 4 big Apple screens and run their video timeline across them all - it's quite a sight to see them working, and the video editors tell me they wouldn't feel happy with anything other than Macs in terms of hardware.

  Charence 13:34 30 Dec 04

In that case, I hope this Mac comes to the UK with that price tag...or I somehow get enough cash to buy a G5! :o)


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